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Theres enough racist people that hes a candidate

Thats it, lets stop putting our heads in the sand with 'economic anxiety'

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[–] diego_maradona@hexbear.net 46 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

economic anxiety and racism go hand in hand. blame life stresses on the other simple as. classic demagogury.

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I think sometimes people are just racist dude. Economic anxiety may exacerbate latent racism, but its not always the cause.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

what a lack of dialectical materialism does to a mothafucka.

"Latent racism" as if this shit is an inherent property of humanity and not an instilled ideology, an "original sin". The christian moralism and idealism reeks from here.

making absolutist moralist denouncements instead of trying to see the chain of events, the cause, and to fix it

when Liberals and Idealists make racism into a “true” platonic eternal evil, all they are doing is admitting they will never fix or solve the issue and don’t know how to. They are even admitting that it’s somewhat correct or at least has a basis in reality because it’s an inherent law of the universe apparently that we can never escape. Racism was invented on a specific date, not too long ago, and it can be abolished. Anything that was created by people can be destroyed by people too.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

thank you. "people are just racist" is such idealist nonsense and is itself a take playing into racist ideas. wild to see that shit on here, would think folks would know better by now.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago

the dangerous thing about moralism is it perpetuates itself. evil is never eradicated, it's an eternal battle. It's a resignation that contradictions cannot be resolved and that history is over

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I’m not sure, I know a lot of enjoying life racists that love Trump. Country club going never been to a minority neighborhood but quote Tucker Carlson racist, own multiple properties and boats due to underpaying day laborers and call them wetback racist, north shore mansion Long Island Zionist that think the Dems are soft on Palestine racist.

Like economic anxiety my ass, most of the wealthy people I know love Trump and love being racist.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

The ideology of every society is the ideology of the ruling class. The rich are the most racist of all. The poor and workers don't become racist until A) They are under severe economic pressure & B) They have the ideology of the rich drilled into their brain since birth

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

The ultra wealthy live in comfort because their racism has succeeded. That's the end goal of the system, and they have a vested interest to reproduce the system for the continued existence of their class.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Age of Napoleon Bonus Episode that examines the intertwined origins of capitalism and racism

https://soundcloud.com/user-279595680/bonus-episode

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I mean ive heard all these arguments before saying capitalism is the sole cause of racism, i dont agree with it.

Racism will be here regardless of whether we are in capitalist shithead land or not, i think we have an obligation to speak out against it and organize against it.

[–] StalinStan@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

I am saying it. Look at italians. Thye were swartly PoC and in our lifetimes they were upgraded to white because we needed more numbers to opress the other minorities with. Before that it was the Irish. Looks like pretty soon Brazilians will be white too. After them probably some Cubans than eventually all Cubans. The japanese were white for a while because we needed people to opress the Chinese with. They lost it when they stoped being a useful tool.

White is not about race. It is a class under cpaitlaism. So long as there is money to be made we will always racialize new and interesting outgroups.

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[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

No one is saying capitalism is the sole cause of racism, that's completely ahistorical. But what is historical fact is the capitalism greatly exacerbates existing racisms.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (18 children)

capitalism is the primary cause and engine of racism. Racialism was invented in the 17th century alongside the mercantile transition into capitalism. Capitalism and Racism were born together and will die together, they are twins.

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is class reductionism right here. Racism was around long before the 17th century lmfao.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No it was not, the concept of race was invented around this time. Perhaps you mean prejudice and ethnic sectarianism? That certainly existed. Race did not. Might behoove you to do some reading on this subject before pontificating with false confidence

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol, now you are just arguing semantics.

The celts were considered a race apart from the anglo saxons.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago

The “race” part is essential to “racism”. This is not semantics this is purely the meat of the discussion

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[–] StalinStan@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (20 children)

I am. Race isn't real. It is an artificial construction we shape to whatever we please. There is no connectivity tissue to it. If capitlaism didn't enforce it it would wither and die on the vine.

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[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

this is idealist nonsense and is itself playing into/flirting with lending legitimacy to racist ideas.

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