this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2024
335 points (97.2% liked)
hmmm
4669 readers
1 users here now
Internet as an art
Rule 1: All post titles except for meta posts should be just plain "hmmm" and nothing else, no emotes, no capitalisation, no extending it to "hmmmm" etc.
I will introduce more rules later and when I finish doing that I will make an announcement post about that.
For overall temporary guide check out the rules here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hmmm/wiki/rules/
I won't be moving all of them here but I will keep most of them.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
"I assert that the Confederate flag only changed to meaning 'racist' recently. I will not elaborate further."
See, this is exactly what I was worried about. Now I've got to write a whole fucking essay because history classes never get past WWII.
"Relatively recent" here means "in the past few decades". There was a period of time in the early 20th century where (due to a long domestic propaganda effort that, frankly, you're going to have to read up on yourself) the racist connotations were significantly diminished.
During this time period, the Confederate naval jack was more broadly seen as a symbol of Southern pride. Perhaps the best example is the Dukes of Hazzard, although this was closer to the tail end of this period.
What precipitated the gradual shift to the modern interpretation was the Vietnam war. The army was racially integrated by that time, and black soldiers were encountering the Confederate flag that their Southern, white comrades sometimes brought along. For fucking obvious reasons, the "it's not racist" argument didn't exactly fly with them. To almost criminally abridge an interesting and important part of history, a symbol that those soldiers may not have ever seen or even really cared in civilian life was at the forefront of their minds.
It took years for that bad experience to move the needle of public opinion. To (again) abridge decades decades of history, that experience in Vietnam "trickled down" to the public. Over time, the mainstream view of the flag shifted from one of primarily Southern pride to one that was primarily (and later, overtly) about racism.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that the Confederate flag was always racist, but the people who rightfully had a problem with it only started to gain the power to say or do anything about it during the Civil Rights Era, or (as you aptly point out) when Black men became armed soldiers in an integrated military.
Perhaps it only "recently" became popularly understood to be racist, but it has always actually been racist.
Yeah, that's what I said.