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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

re: how can a chatbot help with life?

This just their brains on science fiction, they think chatbot can help like the independent AI agents could in the science fiction they half remember. Or at least they think marketing it like that will appeal to people.

A lot less, 'Copilot make this list of bullet points into an email' and more 'Copilot, lock on to the intruder, close the bulkheads after them and flush it to the nearest trash compactor'.

I think that 'giving microsoft the power to do things in my behalf' is quite an iffy decision to make, but that is just me. Ow look it autorenewed your licenses for you, and bought a subscription Copaint, it even got you a deal not 240 dollars per year, but 120, a steal!

E: I saw this image and because cursed eyeballs is the gift that keeps on giving, I will link it to yall as well, nsfw warning. This is the AI future microsoft wants

I think it's also a case of thinking about form before function. It's not quite as bad a case as the metaverse nonsense was, but there's still a lack of curiosity about the sci-fi they read. In most stories that treat AI as anything less than a god, the replacement of people with artificial tools is about either what gets lost (the I, Robot movie, Wall-E) or the fact that effectively replacing people requires creating something with the same moral worth (Blade Runner, I, Robot, the Aasimov collection, etc).

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I am neutral on MSFT - to me it's a bog standard transnational company with better than most working conditions because it's not making stuff you can make in sweatshops. But it's really impressive how they've gone from the beige-box tyranny of Apple's 1984 ad, via the "Halloween Papers" era where they were every Linux weenie's biggest boogeyman, to today's bland backer of OpenAI. Note that they're not really advertising it. How many people who are horrified by Copilot's Recall feature also know they're the biggest investor in the company that makes ChatGPT?

From a corporate governance perspective, being so central to the tech industry for so long is kinda impressive.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 9 points 1 month ago

this is why i keep hammering on how, functionally, OpenAI is a branch of MS and they're only separate so OpenAI's reputation doesn't stain MS.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Despite the industry's deeply ingrained neophilia, I think it speaks to the importance of backwards compatibility and legacy systems.

I can't help but think that the genAI craze will end up being a regrettable side-quest along the path to "coding for non-programmers" akin to Visual Basic. But hey, I bet there's a lot more legacy VB apps being kept alive out there than anyone would be comfortable with.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Despite having been one of those Linux weenies back in the day I have a lot of respect for the amount of work MS puts into backwards compatibility, dev tool upkeep, etc. And now they're actually Open Source! Hell hath frozen over (or they realized no universities wanted to pay Visual Studio licenses and lost a couple of generations of coders to Linux)

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 6 points 1 month ago

And now they’re actually Open Source!

Eh, kind of but also not. VS Code is proprietary, but you have the vscode:vscodium::chrome:chromium thing. Unlike in Chromium's case, the proprietary version actually comes with some amenities one might actually care about (mainly in the plugin repository).

You could say Open Source got some big wins in 2010s, leading to MSFT doing their fair share of contributions to Free software and openwashing as much of the rest as they can manage, but let's not kid ourselves. They wouldn't need to openwash if most of their stuff weren't still proprietary. Last I checked MSVC, SQL Server, Azure, Copilot, IIS, Power BI, and the DirectX SDKs were all totally closed and jealously guarded.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago

And now they're actually Open Source

sorta, but it’s a veneer in furtherance of other goals (telemetry, market dominance, and control)

one of the things I do with my computers is run LittleSnitch in always-prompt mode (LS is an app-level firewalling solution on macos), and hooo boy do I hate it when I end up having to open/touch vscode for some reason. the last time I did, I spent most of the first 5 minutes being prompted for (undeclared!) connections vscode attempted to make in the name of telemetry. similar experience with vscodium interacting with packages, and a bunch of their toolchains