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this feels like a very existential war. Israel has to fundamentally change if not cease to exist for there to be any peace agreement in Gaza, let alone the northern front and the red sea. There isn't a real movement for peace beyond the sporadic protests in Jaffa that aren't a threat to the state.
Much like Ukraine, the powers that be decided to play all their cards, and whether it works out is hard to tell.
Yes, this is basically the "zionist entity must end" solution. But what I want to know is, what does this practically entail?
Like does it mean the whole area comes under a single state controlled by Hamas/PLO? Is it some kind of power-sharing agreement? How does it handle the Sampson option etc?
South Africa is the only model for this. As for questions unique to israel I'm not sure anyone has an answer.
I think your point on the nukes is a valid area to question, slightly offtopic but I have not seen anyone discuss the future ramifications either - if a state with nukes can successfully be ended without the use of those nukes then this has serious ramifications for the future of nuclear weapons as a deterrent. Such a thing will completely change aggression calculations and strategy against nuclear armed countries.
South Africa had nukes (which they developed in cooperation with israel incidentally, see the Vela incident) before they gave them up so black people wouldn't control a nuclear-armed country, making South Africa the only country in history to voluntarily undergo nuclear disarmament.
I agree South Africa is the best model we have but there are also important differences, like how israel & Palestine have an approximately even split in population whereas it was like 90% black/10% white in South Africa. Black people were also much, much more integrated into the South African economy as they worked for the benefit of white people. At this point israel does not make very much use of Palestinian labor.
Yes but it hadn't matured and they had like... 3 bombs? 6 bombs? I can't remember which off the top of my head.