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I don't understand why there are so many people who consider themselves "Marxist feminists", but at the same time are distracted by astrology.

The origin of feminism is working class, and as a working class movement, it is materialist. I don't know if they at least know what dialectical materialism is, since they don't see such an abysmal contradiction between astrology (pseudoscience) and feminism (materialism).

They remind me of the liberal “feminist” Gloria Steinem.

And the same with some anarchists.

What do you think about it?

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[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I wouldn't necessarily say it's a feminism thing. I think it's a millenial/zoomer thing more than anything. It's sad seeing BS like that get normalized, like, how are we accepting people saying "yes, I actually believe that the positions of given stars and planets affect people's personality and my future"? That's 100% against materialism and against the scientific method.

By "how are we accepting" I don't mean "let's oppress these people", just I think we should collectively adopt the same reaction to it, as if an adult told us about the tooth fairy coming.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Do you do the same thing to all religious people too? Aggressively condescend to them? What about Indigenous spiritual mysticisms?

If not, why are you targeting one vs the others, when there's no materialist or scientific method reason to believe any of them are more or less true than the others in reality? This is worth analyzing.

If so (or you concluded to do so), don't. Comrade, we don't need a rehash of the insufferable petulant reddit atheists in the world, let alone in the socialist movement. And most of those reddit atheists all became gamergate CHUDS, which is a logical conclusion of this kind of chauvinist attitude. and because astrology is in general a heavily femme-leaning and trans-leaning mysticism/spirituality, there are certainly these implications that we absolutely do not need to reinforce. We do not need to have men condescending to people's spiritual beliefs out of a misplaced superiority, when I am certain you tell yourself just as many lies to get through the day as any religious person does. So do I. And I've worked with 'witchy' marxists who have put more into the struggle than you or I combined.

Your attitude is not as mature and grounded as you think it is, but more importantly, it's not just counterproductive but actively reactionary to decide to be alienating and spiteful toward others and advocate that "we should collectively adopt" these petulant and petty attitudes towards peoples' personal beliefs. I'm more of an absurdist, but if someone reacted to me sharing deeply held beliefs of mine with them in the way you are advocating, I might punch them in the mouth. And they would deserve it.

[–] Balthier@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Do you do the same thing to all religious people too? Aggressively condescend to them? What about Indigenous spiritual mysticisms?

Yes gigachad-hd

I'm more of an absurdist, but if someone reacted to me sharing deeply held beliefs of mine with them in the way you are advocating, I might punch them in the mouth. And they would deserve it.

You literally just called people who are materialist/atheist as "petulant reddit atheists", claimed they have a likelihood of becoming "gamergate chuds", you claim they are "condescending men" (women can't be outspoken atheists?), you claim "witchy marxists" have put more effort than the poster you're replying to (based on what evidence???). You then call them "not as mature and grounded" (again without any real reason why) then call them "actively reactionary" just because they dared to say something like "guys we should be materialist and atheist".

Time to look into a mirror and punch yourself?

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