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Convincing people to use apps such as Signal is hard work and most can't be convinced. But with those you manage to convince, do you feel happy to talk to them on Signal?

The problem is these people use Signal on Android/IOS which can't be trusted and IOS has recently been in the news for having a backdoor. And it has also been revealed that american feds are able to read everyone's push notifications and they do this as mass surveillance.

So not only do you have to convince people to use Signal which is an incredibly difficult challenge. You also have to convince them to go into settings to disable message and sender being included in the push notifications. And then there's the big question is the Android and IOS operating systems are doing mass surveillance anyway. And many people find it taking a lot of effort to type on the phone so they install Signal on the computer which is a mac or Windows OS.

So I don't think I feel comfortable sending messages in Signal but it's better than Whatsapp.

These were some thoughts to get the discussion started and set the context.

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[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

They funded encryption too. Why don't you stop using that?

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Wait until they find out who started the internet. Or who runs GPS satellites

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

History shows that you shouldn’t automatically trust encryption technologies from the US government.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Just throw your whole computer out the window.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is plenty of space between absolute trust and its contrapositive.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Why don't you fork Signal? Then, you'll know the glowies aren't funding you.

Which lines its libre software source code are malicious? Know what libre software is?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay, be a dumbass. Why don’t you fork yourself?

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Will people read these comments and leave WhatsApp or will they stop caring about privacy?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Totally pointless since the chokepoint is Signal's US-domiciled back-end server, and Signal doesn't allow you to self-host it.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That says nothing about what they actually run on their server, or who they allow to look at their database. Most importantly, you can't self-host signal anyway, so posting the source code for something you can't verify that they even run, is pointless. They went a whole year one time without updating that repo, until the open source community made an uproar about it, and signal was forced to start updating it again.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

can't self-host signal

False, read its software license, linked above.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can't self-host it. People asked for this feature, and were harshly turned down by the signal devs. If you don't believe me, then try it yourself.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's an end-to-end encrypted libre app.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Reason: Disinformation

I don’t think you’re aware of who wrote Lemmy any more than you were aware of who admins lemmy.ml.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Worse, both of you should know better! See its software license cited above.

Spreading funding FUD tells us nothing about whether its license or source code is malicous, just makes people apathetic to privacy.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Reason: Trolling

Good luck with that 😂