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I spent 15 minutes looking at all the links and clicking on a few.
North Korea is apparently a functioning democracy that gives its civilians everything they need. They're all extraordinary happy and love their fairly elected leader. The ones who defect only do it because they're filthy, selfish capitalists.
Tiananmen Square was apparently not a massacre of thousands of unarmed civilian student protestors, but the site of a skirmish between capitalist pig armed provocateurs who assaulted and killed soldiers in cold blood and acted surprised when the soldiers (with extraordinary restraint) defended themselves against their attacks, leading to just 200 deaths (including those poor innocent soldiers).
The Uighurs are apparently all happy. The Chinese government forcibly took thousands, no, hundreds of thousands of people from their homes and placed them in camps, all out of a selfless desire to help those poor, misguided souls. There's definitely no cultural oppression, no forced labor, and no human rights abuses. They're just all-inclusive resorts with free "cultural lessons" to help them understand both Uighur and Chinese culture. The CCP loves their Muslim citizens and definitely doesn't consider them terrorists in need of forced reeducation. All the horror stories we've heard from people whose family members were captured, or about forced organ harvesting, or rape and torture, they're all just unproven lies. The Chinese government even offers tours of their Uighur "resorts" to prove to the world that it's a diligent effort to support their Uighur brothers!
Every time I see something that looks like Chinese/Russian/anti-Western propaganda I check the profile and it's usually a user that's been here for years. I'm starting to think the Fediverse was born as a misinformation shithole, here's hoping the new users can get that content to fuck off into it's own little defederated corner of trolls, bots, and edgelords.
"the Fediverse was born as a misinformation shithole"
Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner.
Theres no way the devs made this whole place with the intention of free speech, no, those kids most likely wanted their own echochamber to roleplay as soviet comrades cuz its deffinetly not a face mom!!
But thats watever since they can stay in their echomaber while we leech from their work right?... right?....
Honestly? Yes. I don't think I share any of the far leftist ideas the Lemmy devs seem to have but you gotta recognize their worth.
Yes, they built this place for freedom of speech. Despite the devs being communists you could easily spin up your own instance and gather there fascists or anarchists or whoever you feel like. Hell it's all open source, you can even fork it an add any feature you like. The software might not be too robust, but this platform really is great and we should recognize it for what it is.
I wouldnt concider their political leaning being leftist, since hard soviet communism/maoism is tyranic and goes all the way around to being fascist since they are masters of banning shit with some being as r3t4rd3d as banning abstract art, so i would say they are right leaning. And concidering myself socialist i feel insulted by grouping tankies with me, so thats why i think the better term for them is tankies.
I'm sorry am I reading this right? Are you saying that communism is a right wing ideology?
In practice it is, or maybe those that claim commumism are actually liers and just tyrants, you cant really say the great leap foward in china was a leftist move right? Juat because they say comunism doesnt mean they are not autoritarian and autoritarianism isnt very leftist in my book.
I like having mass manufactured cars, even though Henry Ford hated the Jewish people. The tech is good, we can ignore the inventors and engineers.
It really did start as an underground commie circlejerk, luckily it's gotten a lot better with lemmygrad and lemmy.ml dead in the water.
Actually, that one is true, you can look it up on wikipedia (including plenty of reliable sources): The massacring was in side streets while the main protest on the square was dissolved "peacefully" by telling students "well, you can go, or we also have rifles here".
The whole thing was flanked by a power struggle within the CCP between reformers wanting to work with the students and hardliners, who ultimately won out but didn't go so far as massacring the students without giving them a chance to cave in and leave on their own. They wanted obedience, after all, not blood. And, culturally speaking, obedience is what they got out of it there has been no popular questioning of the overarching party line since then. Localised protests for or against local issues, sure, and even plenty of them and that's tolerated but nothing that could shake the system, and most of all it's not movements. The CCP is very keen on there being no movements but their own.