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I have been seeing plenty of guillhotine and mollotov jokes here, and as the title says, punching nazis.

I've been reading a book about nonviolence and anarchism, and he basically shows how we shouldn't use violence, even in extreme cases (like neo nazis).

The main argument is that the means dictates the ends, so if we want a non violent (and non opressing) society, punching people won't help.

And if it is just a joke, you should probably know that some people have been jailed for decades because of jokes like these (see: avoiding the fbi, second chapter of the book above).

Obviously im up for debate, or else I wouldn't make this post. And yes, I do stand for nonviolence.

(english is not my first language, im sorry if I made errors, or wansn't clear.)

(if this is not pertinent, I can remake this post in c/politics or something)

(the book is The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry, if you are downloading from the internet, make sure you download it from the correct author, there is another book with the same name.)

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[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Could you expand on the laces thing? I've never heard of laces (white, yellow or anything else) signifying anything in this topic.

[–] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, absolutely. It's's an old Skinhead/Bonehead thing. You'd rock different colors to say what you sort of believed. Red was neo-nazi, white was klan or white power, blue I think was pro cop, yellow was anti-gay, green was something bad but I don't remember what, may be you robbed everyone. This was kind of nationwide but varied by area somewhat. Like blue could mean pro cop or anticop. This was way before think blue line stuff.

So growing up you'd see a bunch of bone heads strutting around with white laces and you'd know they were all racist shiteaters.

Mostly I think it was a way for skins to decide who to fight. Like I say, I was a punk, so not as much into fighting for fun like most skins were. I just ran with some because being a skater and a punk then was a little harder if you got caught alone. And having friends that liked to fight was just good sense.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Thanks, that's really interesting. I guess black laces were the only safe option!

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just looked it up. White is white pride, red is neo-nazi (and often, willing to spill blood), yellow is anti-racist. Not sure why that last one's a bad thing, though.

Black was neutral, because that's the colour doc martens usually come with.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They are all fun lace colors, and Nazis get to decide nothing.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think nazis are the ones that decided the gay pride colour though (it was purple). I think it was someone else that decided.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thank you for being less lazy than me! Still though, white laces are pretty common. I wouldn't want to be mistaken for a white supremacist just because of that.

[–] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lace codes (and brace or strap codes I'm reminded above) are largely dead now. It started letting up when it was discovered how dope blue Docs looked with red laces.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Ha - fashion > fascism :-)