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[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Where did the matter/energy for Big Bang come from? On that note, what is outside the border of the universe?

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And then where did they matter and energy come from for that universe. It's turtles all the way down...

[–] M137@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did you have a stroke while writing that?

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not a fan of Terry Pratchett I take it?

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Doubt he even understands the beginnings of boot theory economics.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I proclaim you Grand WIZZARD And pray the wind always be at your back, and the luggage at your heels, but not too close to your heels.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

This question actually doesn't make sense, it's kind of a paradox in the same way the question of what happened before the Big bang is also strange in the sense that the universe and reality didn't exist in a form with causality in effect.

So asking a "before" question in reference to "before" time even started is paradoxical in and of itself. Since "before" wasn't even a concept in existence.

Which is why scientists don't really worry about anything "before" the Big bang.

[–] ooli@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Outside: there is a theory of other universes outside . Which would explain the increasing rate of expansion in place of dark energy

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The Universe is expanding, rapidly from the big bang still. At some point, it will slow down, and then stop. Then begins a catastrophic cycle of collapse with massive black holes coalescing into one universe eating black hole that compresses every bit of matter into a single point of almost infinite density. At this point the black hole destabilizes, and all of the stored energy is released in one colossal explosion. A Big Bang of sorts.

The Universe is an Ouroboros.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There's no proof the universe will end in a Big Crunch. Apparently there's some measure of the universe where if it's less than 1, we'll get a Big Crunch, and if it's greater than 1, we'll get a Big Rip where everything just falls apart. I may have those backwards, but the important thing is when it's exactly 1, it implies a universe that continues forever, getting colder and colder. And as best as science can determine for our universe, the value is precisely that.

But here's another, well, dimension to that: There's a popular but unprovable conjecture that our universe is the inside of a black hole that exists in a higher-level universe. In our universe, black holes boil away due to Hawking radiation, a process that can take trillions of years for very large black holes.

Once the black hole we're inside of stops consuming matter in the level above, that spells a very slow but alternative end to our universe. One day it will simply cease to exist.

"This the way the world ends: Not with a bang, but a whimper." -- T.S.Eliot.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

That is interesting but I reject the alternate theories of the Big Rip and the Silent Extinction because they are scary and I don't like them.

[–] sploosh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've become a fan of the "We're already in a black hole" theory. The Schwarzschild radius for the mass of the known universe is larger than the radius thereof.

It's probably not correct but I do like it.

[–] Iapar@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago

Sometimes I think our universe is just an explosion in a big ass combustion engine.

So everytime I drive a car I create and destroy countless universes just to get some nuggets. Worth it.

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Somehow I find the Big Crunch more comforting than Big Rip...

[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

At some point, it will slow down, and then stop

All of the current scientific evidence disagrees with this. 1) There is a velocity such that you can go faster than gravity will be able to slow you down: escape velocity. So, it's possible even without any new, weird physics. 2) The hubble constant shows that the universe isn't slowing down, but the opposite: it's accelerating. Physics doesn't know why (see Dark Energy). It's physically measurable that things farther away are accelerating even faster scaling with distance.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I’m a big bang denier. I have zero evidence. I believe everything has always been, will always be, and goes on forever in every direction. I think anything we do to try to explain is just to protect our brains from being incapable of fathoming that everything is infinite.