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The fact that this needs to be said is a testament to the efficacy of Republican culture war bullshit. Instead of discussing the numerous unprecedented existential threats to human civilization, everything from pollution to the end of democracy, we’re focused on… trans rights.
Fuck off with the dismissal of human rights.
If that’s what you got from my comment the Republicans have radicalized you.
There's a difference between recognizing that defending democracy is absolutely the #1 thing to be talking about and doing that and entirely going "blah blah" at basic human rights
Trans rights are literally human rights. I’m fairly certain the Democratic platform is to protect human rights. How would it benefit us to focus on one particular niche right among the others, many of which are way more important?
*offer void for Palestinians and trans people.
Oh so Democrats are adopting policies to intentionally harm trans people now? To you not campaigning on something automatically means the candidate will work against that thing?
They came around on immigration. They'll come around on trans rights. Wonder who's next.
What is the cost of trans to society? Because there is in fact a cost to not keeping a minimum of control over how many people and who can immigrate to a country, so it's perfectly normal to want people to get in through the regular process instead of jumping a wall.
You've adopted Republican talking points about immigration. You'll do the same with trans people.
It's not a Republican talking point, it's a pragmatic talking point. Just like you don't give birth without the State knowing about it so they know who lives where and is entitled to what, you don't want people immigrating without knowing about it and filtering the people coming in to catch the few that shouldn't be allowed in the country at all.
Progressive parties all over the world have the same point of view, immigration needs to happen but it needs to be done correctly.
It 100% is. Which Republican talking points are you gonna adopt when (not if, WHEN) Democrats show their true colors to trans people like they have to the undocumented?
Show me one country with a progressive party in power where they've just opened their border to anyone and everyone.
If housing is already problematic what do you do about the increased demand from opening the border?
If social services are already having issues keeping up with the population in place how do you deal with the increased demand from opening the border?
You know what's more effective and less expensive than just opening your border? Making it so people have good living conditions back home so they don't feel like they need to leave in the first place. The first world would be much better off investing in programs to help the third world develop itself and it would in fact be a much more progressive approach because for every migrant coming in a first world country, there's a thousand people in their country they couldn't afford to make the trip.
Edit: downvotes, no replies, as expected
No one asked you to summarize Republicans' talking points about the border. I'm surprised you didn't spell it "boarder" like they do.
Name one country with a progressive party in power that has opened it's border to anyone that wants to come in no questions asked.
You haven't given an example yet, prove that it's a Republican/Conservative only talking point.
You're asking me to prove that "open borders" is a Republican talking point?
Fucking seriously?
I'm asking you to prove that it's a conservative only policy to not have an open border and that progressive governments open their border to anyone.
Work on your reading comprehension.
Ok, I'll entertain your bad faith exactly once.
Conservatives pretend that anything to the left of their shitty racist border policies is "open borders," which is a bullshit mischaracterization. You're demanding that I defend a strawman that you have constructed.
Now move the goalposts like you did with your garbage about the popular vote.
You didn't provide an example. From the start I've been saying that wanting to keep control on the border isn't a Republican talking point only, you keep saying it is, prove it, show me an example of a border being opened under a left wing government because you keep saying only Republicans (right wing) care about keeping the border secure.
Hell, even the European Union has open borders within the Union but they control the border with countries outside of it! All parties in Canada agreed that the irregular crossings that were happening needed to stop and there was an intervention, under a Liberal government that holds to power with the story of the left wing party!
I said once. Keep spewing Republican talking points about the racist Republican policy you're happy to have adopted.
Still waiting on an example to prove that progressives adopt the opposite policies, take your time, do your research, I don't mind.
You're the one who's saying that it's a right wing only policy, the onus of the proof is on you.
Sure, just give me an example of any country without any resources that has a space program. I'll wait. It's what you're arguing after all.
This is the shit you're doing. You're LYING about my position and then demanding that I defend a position I neither stated nor hold. And all because you know you're spouting Republican talking points because you agree with Republicans' racist motivations for their shitty border policy.
And just like you adopted Republican talking points for your support of racist Republican border policy, the instant the party throws trans people under the bus and shifts into reverse and drive a couple dozen times in the vain hopes that they will peel off a few fascist votes, you'll be screaming that there are only two genders.
It's not the same thing at all. You're implying that progressives want open borders yet when progressives get in power they don't open their borders to migrants, they keep applying the same kind of restrictions that Republicans/conservatives want for the same reason they want them. Thus, saying that a country can't just accept to let in anyone and everyone without keeping some control on the influx isn't a Republican/conservative opinion, it's just what countries do no matter who is in power because that's what must be done.
No matter how progressive you are, you won't let just anyone in your house to start living with you and you won't want people to come in through the window to start living in your attic without you knowing, you'll want them to come in through the door so you can meet them and make sure it's someone you want to become your roommate.
I am not. That's a strawman you've constructed.
Ok so they don't want open borders and then saying border control is necessary isn't a conservative opinion.
No, casting anything to your left as "open borders" is a conservative talking point.
Well you've got two choices, controlled borders and opened borders so...
What we had before Democrats moved to the right and adopted Republican policies like you wanted wasn't "open borders."
And since that didn't pass, what we have now still isn't open borders. No matter how much you and your Republican thinkalikes claim it is.
Sooooo... Saying the border needs to be controlled as it has always have been isn't a Republican opinion, it's just what countries do.
Glad we finally agree.
You agree with Republicans on the border. And everything else. Don't pollute my inbox with your racist apologia again.
I agree with the Democrats as well and with any progressive government anywhere in the world that doesn't stop controlling its country's border so... All of them? And if you don't want opened borders then I'm sorry to tell you that you do in fact agree with that as well!
If you say so. Now will you go bother someone else?
Just block me if you're not happy
Oh, that's what all this has been about? You've decided to pester me nonstop with Republican talking points to get me to block you?
No, just trying to make you realize that what you're saying doesn't make sense.
Only Republican policy makes sense to you.
I guess all countries in the world have the Republicans in power then...
Bother someone else.
Don't join the conversation if you're not ready to bring arguments to the table to prove your point.
Why? You've already decided that my arguments aren't what I say they are and that they're what you imagine them to be.
You're arguing with your own imagination and you can do that in my absence.
Please go bother someone else.
Thread's about how the party ignored the rights of trans people. And I'll notice you ignored what I said about Palestinians. Human rights also includes foreign policy.
Any defense of human rights is a defense of trans rights. I’m not sure why you find this confusing. Maybe you want these rights to be enumerated for pandering purposes?
Hogwash. It's completely possible to defend human rights for some and not for others. Which is why you keep ignoring what I keep saying about Palestinians. How are their human rights holdin' up? How are Democrats' defense of human rights a defense for Palestinians' rights?
Oh yeah, they're selling weapons for the genocide of Palestinians. Turns out, "any defense of human rights" is not the same thing as "defending all humans' rights."
Ok, so you want me to be happy with a party that is concerned with human rights for only some people.
If your support for human rights does not include Palestinians, how can anyone trust that it includes trans people without some indicator?
Do they need to mention every single group whose rights they want to protect or are you able to read between the lines and look at the policies Democrat States have adopted these past 4 years vs Republican States?
I do not trust Democrats not to move to the right, as they do so every chance they have. Failure to address things like trans rights specifically means they're the next group under the bus.
No, it doesn't. Trans aren't the only group being oppressed by Republicans and they're not the biggest group either, women and ethnic minorities represent a much bigger part of the population and supporting them doesn't alienate some electors because it's not considered woke (or not as much) to do so, which openly supporting trans rights is.
People on the left will always find excuses to open the door to the right wing party because they're looking for moral purity... The problem is that your definition of that purity would mean a party unable to get elected, so you're better off accepting that some issues you care about won't be front and center during the campaign even though the party still agrees with you.
Yes, and they get mentioned because it's not their turn under the bus yet.
Centrists will always capitulate to the right and dismiss anyone who is upset about it with this "purity" bullshit.
Given enough time and enough apologists like you, absolutely. We've already adopted Republican policy on immigration, and you're spewing their talking points.