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He’s had yet another horrible week. The old tricks aren’t working. Kamala Harris does not fear him. And it’s showing in the numbers.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 392 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I have to admit when I'm wrong.

I was all for Joe staying in the race, because I didn't think the Dems would coalesce around one candidate without a shit-show convention.

Now I'm glad I was wrong. Just putting it out there.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 198 points 3 months ago (2 children)

100% the same

Dude I've never been so happy to be wrong as fuck

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago (18 children)

You know what the cool thing is? Those of us who were wrong for one reason or another will actually about it. We don't pretend we were right the whole time. We don't pretend it just didn't happen.

Hindsight being what it is, I'm almost wondering if the timing was planned in advance. Biden already told us he'd be a one term president. If in 10 years they came out and said "Yeah, that was the plan from day one but we couldn't tell anyone" I would absolutely believe it.

[–] Reyali@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I threw an idea out in response to a comment here right after Biden backed out and the more I think about, the more it seems likely to be right.

My theory is that the DNC likely timed Biden stepping aside so it would be late enough they couldn’t hold primaries for the nominee. It came out in 2016 that the DNC was basically rigged for Clinton to win, regardless of what voters wanted. The 2016 primaries caused dissension with voters leading to lower turnout, and I think that was also somewhat true in 2020. By waiting as long as he did to back out, Biden took voter choice out of it and helped rally everyone behind Harris.

I could absolutely be wrong, but every time I run it through my head it feels more likely to be true. And if I’m right, it is a bit sleazy. However, I have to admit I’m surprised and impressed by how it’s turned out. I didn’t expect people to rally so strongly behind Kamala, and I’m excited to be a part of it!

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[–] Sarothazrom@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

my own little conspiracy theory i like to think about is that biden threw that debate on purpose lol.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

It'd be interesting to find this out, but given how disorganized the Democrats tend to be, I seriously doubt that's the case.

What an absolute gamble that would be. Trust me, reality is stranger than fiction.

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[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 36 points 3 months ago

I'm glad everyone feels this way, I do too. I thought with Joe we had pretty solid chances of winning, but now with Kamala I think we're going to win by a lot more than Joe won by last time around.

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Same here. What a pleasant surprise this whole turnaround has been. I was certainly pesimistic that the Democrats would somehow make the situation even worse, like perhaps bring Clinton back.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Democrats will nominate George Clinton before they nominate Hillary again.

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[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Hey now, we're only halfway there. Between Biden, Hillary and likely protesters for Palestine it can still be a shit-show convention.

Though fiercely hope not.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago (16 children)

I love how Trump's treatment of the Kurds gets a free pass from those protesters.

[–] Mikelius@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

For those who hate clickbait:

  • Trump breaks silence on Israel's military campaign in Gaza: 'Finish the problem'

"The former president has largely avoided weighing in on Gaza as President Joe Biden has faced criticism from within the Democratic coalition over his support for Israel."

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

The Repub leadership seems to be clamoring for taking actions on a spectrum between deporting protesters to Gaza or simply nuking Gaza.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I love how Trump's promise to deport those protesters gets a free pass from those protesters. My brother is one of them, always ranting about "Genocide Joe" and hating the Democrats passionately despite being (ostensibly) liberal. It's like in his universe the Republicans don't even exist, and I just can't understand his viewpoint.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I would bet my next paycheck that most of them probably could not even explain what he did to the Kurds.

Most of them didn't know (or knew and did not care) about what Israel has been doing to Palestine for decades now, and were told that this is somehow Joe Biden's fault or some shit.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

To be fair (and I was a great supporter of Dark Brandon), Joe Biden has been a huge supporter of Israel including derailing Hillary Clinton's attempt to stop settlement construction (when she was secretary of state).

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

You do realize that there are Palestinians who live in the US, yes? And they're upset about their friends and families being slaughtered right now? And you're turning your nose up at them and saying, "What about the Kurds, tho"

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 17 points 3 months ago (29 children)

Don't forget boogaloo fellas and local cops who have been taken in by some kind of propaganda and left-wing useful idiots who got all spun up on internet nonsense to think that the best way to help the Palestinians is to make sure Trump gets elected. I hope not, but the convention has the potential to be a fuckin atom bomb of colliding toxic forces.

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[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Biden seems to be going all in for Harris, but according to the AP, the DNC still hasn't updated their paperwork to reflect Biden dropping out, so it could very well end up a shit show.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 10 points 3 months ago

I think Biden will be alright to be honest, even should he stumble through his speech it's not too bad given he's not running anymore. Just look at the joint Harris/Biden adress the other day about the pharmaceutical prices. Not a great speech by Biden, but everyone is sort of in "alright grandpa, let's get you to bed" mode.

The protests can get ugly, though I truly pray they won't. But another unfortunate reaction/statement about Palestine from Harris would be bad, and worst case the protests get violent and actual fights break out - which would be bad bad.

I also don't see why we're opening the Hillary box again even though it's just a speech. But what do I know.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

I hope it's a major shit-show. I want to see how Harris handles Gaza.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I got plenty of flak for suggesting Joe needed to go. The thing is, Kamala isn't a perfect candidate either but holy hell the (perceived) difference in voter attitudes is absolutely palpable. With Joe we'd have had people voting Trump just to avoid falling asleep (not supporting that at all, but the average voter operates on extremely simple heuristics).

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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'll hold my "I was wrong" until the day the last votes are counted...

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I don't think we have to wait for that. Biden was 100% losing, now Kamala at least has a chance.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just another voice in the crowd to say "Same". Herein lies one of the major differences I see with "R" vs "D". One side sees learning and admitting mistakes as the ultimate sin, whereas the other generally embraces learning and changing a viewpoint as new information comes to light.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I remember writing that the Vietnam was was a terrible mistake and someone came to tell me that it was a noble cause and a moral victory.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Very true. This overall symptom has accelerated vastly since Regan.