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He’s had yet another horrible week. The old tricks aren’t working. Kamala Harris does not fear him. And it’s showing in the numbers.

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[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Hey now, we're only halfway there. Between Biden, Hillary and likely protesters for Palestine it can still be a shit-show convention.

Though fiercely hope not.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 33 points 2 months ago (15 children)

I love how Trump's treatment of the Kurds gets a free pass from those protesters.

[–] Mikelius@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

For those who hate clickbait:

  • Trump breaks silence on Israel's military campaign in Gaza: 'Finish the problem'

"The former president has largely avoided weighing in on Gaza as President Joe Biden has faced criticism from within the Democratic coalition over his support for Israel."

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

The Repub leadership seems to be clamoring for taking actions on a spectrum between deporting protesters to Gaza or simply nuking Gaza.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I would bet my next paycheck that most of them probably could not even explain what he did to the Kurds.

Most of them didn't know (or knew and did not care) about what Israel has been doing to Palestine for decades now, and were told that this is somehow Joe Biden's fault or some shit.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

To be fair (and I was a great supporter of Dark Brandon), Joe Biden has been a huge supporter of Israel including derailing Hillary Clinton's attempt to stop settlement construction (when she was secretary of state).

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

You do realize that there are Palestinians who live in the US, yes? And they're upset about their friends and families being slaughtered right now? And you're turning your nose up at them and saying, "What about the Kurds, tho"

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I love how Trump's promise to deport those protesters gets a free pass from those protesters. My brother is one of them, always ranting about "Genocide Joe" and hating the Democrats passionately despite being (ostensibly) liberal. It's like in his universe the Republicans don't even exist, and I just can't understand his viewpoint.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's plain as day: They think their "conscious will be clean" and to them that's more important than the lives of millions of Palestinians.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Or maybe they're upset about their friends and families being killed?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

Apparently, there's a giant far Left majority in the USA, and the only thing holding it back is the DNC.

[better add the /s, because someone is going to explain that it is true.]

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

Any time you point out hypocrisy it's a 'what about.'

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget boogaloo fellas and local cops who have been taken in by some kind of propaganda and left-wing useful idiots who got all spun up on internet nonsense to think that the best way to help the Palestinians is to make sure Trump gets elected. I hope not, but the convention has the potential to be a fuckin atom bomb of colliding toxic forces.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

left-wing useful idiots who got all spun up on internet nonsense to think that the best way to help the Palestinians is to make sure Trump gets elected.

I said it before about Biden and I'll say it again about Kamala: the one thing that could sink her chances will be to burn the bridge with pro-palestinian protestors.

It's not up to protestors if Kamala looses, it's up to Kamala.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 2 months ago (27 children)

This is domestic abuse logic

"I have decided to do X, which outcome will be catastrophic, if you do Y. So therefore, if you do Y, it's going to become your fault what will happen."

If you wanna push the Democrats to better outcomes on Gaza, sounds fuckin great. I definitely think that the activism so far has woken them up + it's clearly better than just the only voice they hear that has any teeth being the Israel lobby. But don't play games with the placement of responsibility.

Did I send you the Ralph Nader interview where he talks about how to apply this principle (specifically to the Democrats, I think specifically as pertains to Gaza) productively instead of terroristically?

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[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Biden seems to be going all in for Harris, but according to the AP, the DNC still hasn't updated their paperwork to reflect Biden dropping out, so it could very well end up a shit show.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 10 points 2 months ago

I think Biden will be alright to be honest, even should he stumble through his speech it's not too bad given he's not running anymore. Just look at the joint Harris/Biden adress the other day about the pharmaceutical prices. Not a great speech by Biden, but everyone is sort of in "alright grandpa, let's get you to bed" mode.

The protests can get ugly, though I truly pray they won't. But another unfortunate reaction/statement about Palestine from Harris would be bad, and worst case the protests get violent and actual fights break out - which would be bad bad.

I also don't see why we're opening the Hillary box again even though it's just a speech. But what do I know.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

I hope it's a major shit-show. I want to see how Harris handles Gaza.

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