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Hi all,

I'm seeing a lot of hate for capitalism here, and I'm wondering why that is and what the rationale behind it is. I'm pretty pro-capitalism myself, so I want to see the logic on the other side of the fence.

If this isn't the right forum for a political/economic discussion-- I'm happy to take this somewhere else.

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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Some example where it works? Because where I live (EU), stuff is regulated and no one of my generation can buy shit. I pay so much for rent that I can't save money to buy something of my own. While the owner of the company has luxury cars. We're all wage slaves. Sadly, everything else is doomed to fail as well, so even the fabled communism of Soviet bootlickers won't save us.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you think EU is regulated, you have no idea what regulation should be. EU is merely preventing capitalism from self euthanasy at this point.

And I am a firm supporter of Europe.

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Soviet system was communism with bosses, bosses duck up everything.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's looking for scapegoats. Truth is you always need some kind of a boss.

Let's imagine the fabled True Communism™. So everyone goes to vote for everything, everyone has a say in everything and everything is owned by everyone. Someone has to organize the elections. And because it's unrealistic for millions of people to go to one voting booth, you need local elections, pretty much what democracy looks like now. And there you go - you have your local leaders, those who organize elections. Your bosses are back and True Communism™ devolves back into the "communism with bosses".

Or let's say we come with a magical solution to that problem. Your country doesn't have money to build only luxury houses or flats, there need to be some smaller and shittier ones. Who decides who lives in the villa and who lives in the small apartment? There are these solutions:

  • you only build shitty apartments for everyone - yay, communism wins again!
  • people who are "more equal" than the others get them, for example for their service to the country and lo and behold, bosses are back!

Communism doesn't work and cannot work, simply because of human nature.