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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think the issue is that if the government offered tiny houses or apartments for anyone that everyone would want one.

The value of "free shit" is somehow larger than the value of owning a large mansion or something.

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And what's the problem? So what if a whole bunch of single people moved into tiny government houses? Housing is a human right. And it sure would bring rents down.

[–] Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

There is no problem, they create the problem to justify their lack of empathy.

[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

'Simple' solution to that would be to put a time limit on how long you can stay.

Say maybe 2 years unless you have a medical condition or something. That should be plenty of time for people experiencing hardship to get past it.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think it'd be better with an income limit if that's possible to check.

Where I live, the only involuntarily homeless people are generally those who experience longer than 2 year medical or psychological issues.

[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Income limit would lead to people 'gaming' the system. Either just misreporting what they actually make or purposefully not making enough to qualify.

Or it will go just like current systems do - you make one cent over their arbitrarily decided number and you don't qualify even if you cant actually afford to live.

It would also screw over people who might have a 'good' income, but made honest mistakes and are upside down in debt or similar situations.

Income limit fosters a 'you deserve this, you don't' attitude which is what we are trying to get away from.

I just see a time limit system (with exceptions for those who are sick/unable to fully care for themselves) doing a better job of providing a basic human right to anyone who needs it while avoiding a bunch of bullshit an income limit would bring to the table.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I just see a time limit system (with exceptions for those who are sick/unable to fully care for themselves)

Are we putting a time limit on processing who gets that designation? Because federal disability claims are a shitshow that take roughly six months just to get your first denial. And then can take years to go through appeals.

It's all just different takes on who "deserves" to live and for how long.

[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Right - but thats a whole other can of worms.

There is no quick fix or Simple solution.

Its not like its just one small system that is broken - we have multiple broken systems that need to be torn down and rebuilt because the rot is in the bones.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

There are major problems with income based limits. In theory they work, but they often break down over time locking people into the poverty they are trying to escape. It creates a grey area where they lose more than they gain by improving their income. Sometimes as much as an hour of extra work can lose them their benefits.