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"We've won, but at what cost?" (lemmy.world)

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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If firefox is not maintained, librewolf dies too.

[+] atro_city@fedia.io -8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Bullshit. It'll become the new firefox without Mozilla.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Mozilla has around 750 full-time employees. LibreWolf is a few volunteers in a trenchcoat. There is absolutely no way they'll just take over that work, not to mention without a source of income.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You think if mozilla dies its users are just going to start using chrome, brave and safari? And the devs are just going to move on to those projects? No shot bro

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Will people slowly stop using an outdated browser? yes

will people who are out of a job no longer do their job? also yes

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I am not saying that. What I am saying, is that the vast majority of those devs cannot continue full-time work on Firefox when they need to work another full-time job to actually earn money.

If you're expecting Mozilla to implode and then LibreWolf to be overrun by donations over night, so they can hire all those devs, well, there's the first problem that LibreWolf doesn't accept donations. But even if they did, they'd have to hire the management and such of Mozilla, too. It would be Mozilla in a trenchcoat immediately.

I guess, a Mozilla that suddenly can rely completely on donations, can make more decisions that are popular with those making donations. But yeah, you can already donate to the Mozilla Foundation, and so far, people largely don't.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But even if they did, they'd have to hire the management and such of Mozilla, too. It would be Mozilla in a trenchcoat immediately.

Hiring them wouldn't be mandatory. Look at Godot. They figured their shit out right quick after whatever it was that the other game engine pulled. LibreWolf will have the time to prepare for this. Courts move slowly.

Thunderbird got millions in donations and are free of Mozilla. When you donate to Thunderbird, guess where that money goes. That's right, Thunderbird. Not some CEO who takes 6M in bonuses. Librewolf can provide a harbor for firefox devs if they decide to get their shit together when clouds start forming.

Of course it's possible that another org will swoop in.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Donations to Mozilla do not go to the CEO. You donate to the Mozilla Foundation, whereas the CEO that we're talking about is heading the Mozilla Corporation.
The latter is a subsidiary of the Foundation, so if the situation should get really dire, then the Foundation could hand them some money, but since the Foundation is legally a non-profit, it doesn't have much more than pocket change.

Incidentally, yes, donations to Mozilla generally do not go towards Firefox development. The Foundation rather works on lobbying governments, as well as community work (which may help win some open-source contributors for Firefox), but they often also just award donation money to less publicly known open-source projects.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And who will develop it?

Do you know where 99% of the code in Librewolf comes from?

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Where do you think development resources are going to go to once there is a void? They're just going to go poof and never work on a project again? Or do you expect a new contender to pop in with a full shaped org to sweep them up?

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 3 months ago

Developers tend to like to get paid. In the absence of an organization that isn't giving them money to do something as complex as work on a browser engine they tend not to do so out of the goodness of their hearts. They tend to look for jobs at actual companies.