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[–] rah 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Marxists believe it is due to Imperialism

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "imperialism" here but regardless, what is the solution to imperialism according to Marxists?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I elaborated on it later, it's the concept of exporting the bulk of industrial production to foreign countries to super-exploit for super-profits.

Imperialism defeats itself in much the same way Capitalism does, it increases in severity and exploitation until a boiling point is reached, and the country in the Global South moves towards domestic production and nationalization of their resources and products, rather than serving as an outsourced factory for wealthy Capitalists abroad.

[–] rah 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't think we're communicating. I asked what Marxists' solution to imperialism is. I can't see any solution in what you've written here.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What do you specifically mean? I just said Imperialism defeats itself, and people in the Global South can act against it by protecting their own production and resources.

[–] rah 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying Marxists have no solution to imperialism?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They do. Supporting movements in the Global South against Imperialism by the Global North. Looking at the nature of Imperialism dialectically, it appears to be deteriorating as exploitation increases, so these movements are gaining momentum. This is what I mean when I say Imperialism defeats itself, as exploitation increases (as it must to counter the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall), it also increases pressure against itself from those it exploits.

[–] rah 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Supporting movements in the Global South against Imperialism

We're not communicating. That's not a "solution" as I understand it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] rah 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

For the same reason that it's not a carpet as I understand it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why is a solution not a solution?

[–] rah 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have been entirely rational. I explained in shorthand, and linked longer texts, and you are intentionally playing coy.

[–] rah 1 points 3 months ago

I have been entirely rational.

I disagree.

I explained in shorthand

Try explaining in longhand. Then you will have explained. If you explain "in shorthand" then you haven't explained.

[–] rah 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Imperialism defeats itself

If imperialism defeats itself why is it still around?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm specifically referring to Capitalism as it turns to Imperialism, also known as Unequal Exchange. A

[–] rah 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't follow. You haven't answered my question.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Capitalist Imperialism has been around for about 2 centuries.

[–] rah 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You haven't answered my question.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] rah 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I have.

I disagree.

What's unanswered?

Why imperialism is still around (if it defeats itself).

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Processes take time. Trajectories matter.

[–] rah 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Processes take time.

And? Still not answered the question.

Trajectories matter.

To what? What trajectories?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Deterioration in Imperialism happens as exploitation increases over time. This process takes many years, but we can track directions.

[–] rah 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Still don't understand why imperialism is still around if it defeats itself.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why is there still water in a boiling pot if water evaporates when boiled?

[–] rah 1 points 3 months ago

I don't follow.