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This whole night was so many layers of exhausting, but probably not for the reasons you think... No rational, serious person was expecting Biden to Willy Wonka front somersault into this debate? it was going to be what this was, the only true surprise was probably the volume of his voice (which they chalk up to a cold, okay fine, I guess) and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump's gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators for the majority of the night.
The people in this country, in their immediate reaction to this debate, demonstrate that they just fundamentally lack the focus, empathv and frankly basic intelligence to process the substance of this or any debate. On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler... Or a dog.
Volume is a minor issue, the problem was the half finished thoughts and odd transitions between them.
It's called watching the clock and getting flustered trying to not run over time.
It's always fun when people suddenly forget that Biden has a stutter. I'm not even 40 and, perfectly healthy, sometimes can't finish a fucking sentence and just move on to the next point. The only reason people don't say I have dementia is because I don't look old enough to hurl the accusation.
Elections are all about optics, and the optics are he might not even make it to the general election, let alone the following 4 years if elected. The populace is starting to wonder how much Biden is just a real life Weekend at Bernies now where they really weren't before.
How many stuttering acting presidents do you remember?
Also Biden isn't just having a stutter. It was clear he lost his train of thought multiple times, like destroying medicaid, constantly mixing thousands, millions, billions and trillions or his talk about abortion trimesters.
This sounded like they gave him elaborate sentences to remember beforehand and he butchered them all, because of not learning them by heart and not fully grasping what they actually mean.
Meanwhile Trump was just doing Trump and Biden came wholly unprepared for that. Repeating what Trump said with "the idea that ... is ridiculous" is just repeating what he said, further giving it agency. How could they be unprepared for Trump being Trump after 8 years of him already?
Elaborate on "trump doing trump"?
"We had the best administration ever." "The economy was great. He destroyed it all." "We have the worst economy now." "He is the worst president." "We will make America great again." "It is the millions of immigrants."
It is the exact same rhetoric like in 2016 and 2020 and during all of his presidency. Trump is the greatest the others are the worst, blame the immigrants and claim the other side to be unpatriotic.
Trump was sometimes even addressing Biden directly with "Joe what are you doing?". And in the end the only topic were Biden sought the confrontation was on who of them is the better golfer, which only made him look more detached from the people. He would have needed to attack Trump, provoke him, expose his lies in a way where he is stumbling over his contradictions. If he was rhetorically smart about it, Biden could have overplayed his poor health.
Sounds like you've never socialized with others who have a stutter. Instead of understanding how different mental/physical impairments affect people, you'd rather just make assumptions and baseless claims that confirm your own biases. Biden's stutter is a well documented ailment that has affected him, in similar ways, for a long time - we just got to see it when he was clearly under the weather.
You can factually disagree with Biden's policies, but to create this elaborate scenario out of whole cloth and purposely ignore Trump's own verbal missteps just tells all of us all we need to know about why you commented.
What are you talking about? There is certain demands to the health, to the intelligence, to the eloquence and charisma of a president. Biden showed little of it in the debate.
If he has a stutter, which i don't remember seeing in press conferences a few years back, then it got much worse on the one hand and the strategy for what to say and what not to say on the other hand failed tremendously.
I know one thing about stutters though. How strongly it shows is often directly related to how nervous, scared, agitated or stressed someone is. If Biden is emotionally troubled with dealing with Trump like this, to make his stutter show this extremely, then i don't want him to be in a room with leaders like Putin or Xi, who will just eat him alive.
It showed that Biden is an old men with declining physical and mental health. Anyone watching him in this debate and the many occasions in the last year where he was blitzed out, recognizes that.
Biden is unfit for office. Trump is unfit for office. Anyone riding the Biden train now and blocking the pulling of the emergency brakes is riding this train into the abyss. And that is what helps Trump and the Reps the most.
It's called dementia
Thankfully that's only a problem for one of the candidates, right? Right?
Oh no, definitely both of them suck, and both are showing cognitive decline. Biden is just showing it worse. Or maybe it's just that Trump has always been a rambling moron, so it's harder to tell if he's having a senior moment or just being himself.
Either way, Trump's supporters are too stupid to care or even notice his mental health. Half of them probably don't even believe in mental health. The people Biden needs to vote for him do notice and care though. It's just a fact of life, and the DNC really needs to come to terms with reality.
I guess from that point of view it really is only a problem for one of the candidates.
For what it's worth, watch a video of Trump after 9/11. He was still a narcissistic ass, but he was far more cogent.
Not really. I've had some close family get dementia, it doesn't look like that. If Biden had dementia, there is 0 chance they would have stood him up for a debate. It's really a condition called "fucking old".
This definitely is dementia. I know it from my own family. Especially with people having good days and bad days. The talk now about how Biden just had a bad day, is just reinforcing it.
Trump was showing what it looks like to "just be" "fucking old". Probably by the time he is Bidens age he will be equally far demented, but he is three years younger. There is absolutely no way that Biden won't be a complete vegetable in the last year of the upcoming term and for Trump it is a pretty solid risk.
The DNC needs to switch out Biden now. They should have done it many months ago, but the denial and delusion about Bidens health are going to help make Trump win this one.
You know the moderators are there to enforce the rules of the debate, right? They aren't live fact checkers. Their job is to manage clocks, present questions, and occasionally, ask a followup question, not to defend one particular position or person.
Strawman, nobody is arguing the point you're trying to make about the moderators themselves? I'm citing CNN as host and moderator, their anchors are just deaf weight seat filters under strict orders from zaslov and the billionaire.
They are saying that the network that wraps and produces the entire thing should have done it with a real time overlay graphic fed by a room of professional fact checkers working in real time to provide context (you did notice that the debate was coming into your living room through a magic plastic box and it was not actually a tiny window into a tiny room in your home that held two tiny old men inside arguing, right?)
This is extremely simple and completely necessary with trump - simple because he just repeats the same 5 lazy, limp lies, you wouldn't even need to research in real time, just 5 big brightly colored buttons to press that display pre-written fact check graphics for each of those stale lies.
Imagine in your opinion though, a plain text box that says, "There is no support CNN has found for Mr. trump's claim that 'everyone in Mexico is a terrorist that is both murdering, and has just been murdered, at all times.' is "defending one particular position or person".
Child.
This ain't you fam? Maybe read what you wrote before you accuse someone else of building a strawman.
Now take your shitty ad-hominems and fuck off.