I want to be made obsolete, so none of us have to have jobs and we can spend all our time doing what we like. It won't happen without a massive social systemic change, but it should be the goal. Wanting others to have to suffer because you think you should get rewarded for working hard is very selfish and the fallacy of investment, that you feel you should continue a bad investment even if you know it's harmful or it would be quicker to start over, because you feel you don't want your earlier effort to go to waste.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wtf are you talking about? Get a grip, homey. I'm not saying others should suffer. Do you really think that the power of AI is going to result in the average person not having to work? Fuck no. It's going to result in like 5 people having all the money and everyone else fighting over garbage to eat. Shiet, man. I'm talking about wanting to not be unemployed and starving, same goes for everyone else soon enough. Would I prefer a life without work and still having adequate resources? Of course! But I live in this world, not a fantasy world.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You really think when we actually have the power to automate all labour the 1% are still going to be able to hoard all the resources? Now, when people have to work to live, it dissuades them from protesting the system. But once all labour is actually automated, there would be nothing to prevent the 99% from rightfully rising up against the 1% trying to hoard all the resources (which the 1% generated without any effort) and forcing societal/structural change.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

there would be nothing to prevent the 99% from rightfully rising up against the 1%

Except for the other 1% who are trained and equipped to violently suppress the 98%. And if for whatever reason they fail to do the job, the killer robots will do it instead.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Not now. But eventually? Probably. Or the cool thinking jobs will all be automated and we'll be left with menial labor. Idk man, maybe it'll be a eutopia, but I don't see much benevolence from those controlling things. Anyways, I wasn't looking for an argument about distant possibilities. I was just saying I don't want to lose my job that I spent decades mastering to a machine. I didn't expect that to be a hot take.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The problem is if only 10% of the population is obsoleted, that ten percent needs to find new, different, jobs.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I want - and think will happen - 95% of jobs to be automated eventually. But even in the transition period, where some jobs are automated and some aren't, universal basic income can be a tool to make it livable for all in the transition period.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

30% of jobs are going if self driving is achieved. Low pay jobs are here to stay for a while as they're too expensive to automate. The current LLM stuff seems to obsolete low productivity people but still need the skilled writers or programmers to come up with new stuff or do the correct detail work the LLM sucks at.

Some management is going to royally screw up by firing junior programmers since the senior programmers can get all the work done with the help of copilot

But they'll forget that they will in future need new senior programmers to herd the LLMs

[–] SatouKazuma@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Some management is going to royally screw up by firing junior programmers since the senior programmers can get all the work done with the help of copilot

This just happened on the team I was on. I'm getting ready to interview for mid-level and senior SWE roles, but was let go from my most recent role a month and a half ago.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 4 months ago

My workplace which now uses scaled agile used to be waterfall. We have an enormous system to take care of and there's loads of specialised knowledge, so we were pretty well siloed

So obviously when the sales people sold agile to the organisation they also sold the idea that a programmer is a programmer, designer a designer, tester a tester; no need for specialists, so in 2015 they spun up 50-odd agile teams in about six trains, one for each major system (where the used to be seven silos in one of those systems) grabbed one senior designer and programmer from each major project to put in an "expert" team

And told the rest of us we were working on the whole of our giant system. Where we had trouble understanding how part of it worked, we could talk to one of the experts

Now nine years later those experts have mostly retired, we have lost so much institutional knowledge and if someone runs into a wall you need to hope that someone wrote a knowledge transfer document or a wiki for that bit of the system