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So are y'all china simps? I'm so confused still about hexbear.
If this post was reversed and posted by some liberal on mander.xyz, and a hexbear came into the comments and said
"so y'all Western simps?"
The replies would not be pointed, supply evidence, or otherwise actually informative replies as you have below this comment right now
There would be 5 comments saying 'whataboutism' because you liberals have no ground to stand on, so you deflect
When we make posts like these, we have reasons for doing so beyond the vibes
We believe things for reasons, because they survive rigorous analysis and form accurately to the world as observed
A little bit, I mean they did do this:
Corporate media and politicians lie and present biased framing to get people to hate whoever they want them to hate. We've seen it too many times and anytime we try to push back or ask for sources we get labelled as bots, shills, or tankies. We don't mind criticism of any state, but we expect it to be well documented and framed in a reasonable context, and not just rumormongering.
Not a simp, just dont swallow US narrative as truth. Why would i trust the country that regularly tries to debt trap me? 1+1 isnt China Perfext Utopia, its 1+1 is The US is evil and untrustworthy
Very fair, thanks
The only one simping anything here is you. You're the one that uncritically repeats state department talking points and believes CIA propaganda. Go investigate these claims for yourself - plenty of resources have been made available in this thread alone, yet all you could think of was this deficient condescending comment.
What CIA propaganda have I repeated?
If you were actually interested in a good faith discussion you wouldn't have asked a question I can see would be answered by you interacting with the many resources users have already made available to you in this thread. Begone dronie
We're very clear about our politics. There's nothing to be confused about.
We're communists, anarchists, and other socialists. Hexbear is a non-sectarian left space so there is some variation on details or by degrees but we all share a revolutionary socialist perspective. That includes support for AES states. That includes educating ourselves about AES states instead of blindly accepting western propoganda.
They do appear to be China simps.
Nobody condones the Chinese surveilance Städte, which is very much like the US surveilance state. Nobody condones the Chinese liberalization of markets which make the Chinese economy resemble US capitalism in some regards. Nobody condones attacks on environmentalists, may they happen in China or anywhere else. So no, simp wouldn't be a good term here
Criticism of the decision is valid but I definitely think there were merits to it. Despite the increases in standard of living shown in my favorite graph, many Chinese were still living in extreme poverty when the reforms were initiated. According to the World Bank, more than 850 million Chinese people have been lifted out of extreme poverty, and China's poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015. And China's rise as an economic power has allowed it to help establish an alternative economic bloc, which means now other countries can have access to foreign trade while maintaining more control of domestic policy than they would through the West.
It's a complicated issue and I understand why some people consider it a deviation but I also understand the reasons for doing it and I think it's met with some degree of success. I don't think we really have an official line on it.