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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by frankPodmore@slrpnk.net to c/uk_politics
 

The 2024 Labour Manifesto is now online!

I am genuinely excited by loads of it, especially the green policies and the expansion of workers' rights, but probably the most important part of it is the stuff aimed at economic growth.

What do you think? Love it? Hate it? Inspired to volunteer? Some more sensible, moderate emotion?

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[–] frog@beehaw.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The one thing that makes me optimistic that they wouldn't persist in wasting money on things that won't work is Starmer doesn't strike me as a man that would do that. He's just not that ideological. My sense of him as a person is that he's someone that will look at a problem, listen to all the evidence, and then reach a conclusion upon which he bases his course of action. Any idea that can't be proven to work will be jettisoned. I also strongly suspect that he hasn't 100% decided what he's going to do as prime minister, because he hasn't got all the information yet.

So I'm reading the manifesto primarily as a statement of intent that outlines the general direction Labour would like to take the country, with specifics to be worked out later once Starmer has had a couple of weeks to stare at the problem in more detail.

There is no way this Labour government is going to be revolutionary, because that's not who Starmer is. But a slow and steady, evidence-driven amble in the right direction seems likely.

[–] wewbull 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think that's how manifestos should be read - as a statement of intent, but we all know that manifesto pledges are held as unbreakable vows. I mean, look at the LibDems still suffering the fallout over things said in a manifesto 14 years ago. They didn't even win the election to be able to act on it.

They also haven't got long to try multiple things. Take the carbon zero electricity by 2030 pledge. Our carbon per kWh has been dropping for a long time, but not at a rate that gets to zero in 2030. That's just 5.5 years. Hinckley Point C might come online in that time frame, but Sizewell C would take 10 years minimum. So it's not about replacing the gas power stations with nuclear. It's about going all in on carbon capture, solar and wind from day 1 to get anywhere near in just 5 years.

I pick that example because I feel I understand the domain, but I'm sure there's other examples. Trying a bad plan and realising it's failing takes time. Starting with a better plan is faster.

[–] frog@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

I'm not sure they would even start with a bad plan. Starmer seems like the kind of person who would look at whether a plan is good or bad before even starting it.

I would anticipate a massive amount of both offshore and onshore wind farms - we know those work, and with onshore wind farms in particular, we know they're pretty quick and cheap to get up and running (I recall reading a while back that it's possible to get an onshore wind farm built and producing electricity in less than 12 months), and the main barrier to them has been all the old people being all NIMBY about it. Just having a blanket ban on "but it spoils my view!" as a valid objection to planning permission would do so much good.