Accusing me of gaslighting while gaslighting me
Trolls can have a little salami, as a treat.
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I think I see where this is headed.
Am I right to say that you view casting a vote as an endorsement of a candidate/party (like MAGA does), rather than as a chess move (like Liberals do)?
Lazy quote changing
Literally changes the quote
You have to be trolling.
It's not "outlandish" at all. You can't agree that it's "extremely obvious" that democrats care about gaining or losing votes in one case and that it's "outlandish" in another, it's completely arbitrary.
I didn't say it was "outlandish" to claim they care about gaining votes. I said it's outlandish to claim that voting 3rd party does anything to meaningfully pressure them into changing their policies to capture your vote. They are more concerned about changing their policies to capture the center-right, like you said.
I don't consider that obvious at all. First off, I dispute the claim that voting third party is "throwing your vote away," because I've already established the effects it can have regardless of not winning
No you have not.
But I also assert that it's better to throw away your vote than to support someone who is fundamentally unacceptable.
That is a ridiculous assertion.
I do not subscribe to the ideology of lesser evilism, or to act utilitarianism.
There it is. You don't care any of the work that has to happen over the next 4 years to push for positive change. You just care about virtue-signaling.
"I hope I get to watch you suffer the consequences of your actions since you doomed me too"
"That's a death threat!"
Sure buddy.
You're the one who brought up the question of whether democrats are concerned about me voting Republican.
Right, in response to your ridiculous assertion that voting 3rd party puts any meaningful pressure on them.
The point is that they are concerned about the possibility of gaining or losing voters, which honestly isn't a point I should even have to argue for, because it's obvious.
I agree, it's extremely obvious. I'm not arguing against it. I'm arguing against your claim that voting 3rd party puts any meaningful pressure on Democrats.
I disagree, you haven't established this.
Because it's obvious. The outlandish claim is that throwing away your vote is better than using it to avoid the worse outcome.
Harris supporters on Lemmy have called for me to be put in a concentration camp.
Lol no they haven't.
Just because they're not concerned about leftists becoming republicans, that in no way shows that they're not concerned about leftists voting third party.
Exactly -- I agree that the two are unrelated, so I'm not sure why you used it to support your claim. It makes perfect sense for them to try to steal voters directly from their only other actual opponent. That means they gain a vote and the other side loses a vote.
I see no reason why they would feel any more pressure to capture 3rd party voters than they would to capture apathetic voters or any other non-Republican-voting group.
There's a difference between there being two possible outcomes and there being two possible choices. Just because Trump and Harris are the only ones likely to be elected doesn't mean I have to vote for either of them. We've been over this, I feel like.
Of course there are more than two possible choices. You could choose to saw your arm off and put it in the ballot box. Choosing to use your vote to prevent the worse of the only two possible outcomes from happening is a better choice than throwing it away.
They are trying to appeal to right-leaning democrats and centrists who might consider voting republican.
Correct. What they are not concerned about is far-Leftists somehow becoming Republicans. Which is why your game of pressuring them by voting 3rd party in a federal election is ridiculous.
Whether it is directly applicable or not isn't important
It doesn't matter if your analogy is analogous? Gee, that explains a lot.
The purpose of the analogy is to demonstrate that one thing can be marginally less bad than another, but both options still fundamentally unacceptable
No shit. But it completely ignores the part where you are stuck with one of those "unacceptable" options no matter what.
Every single one of your analogies conveniently ignores that vital factor.
Imagine being able to walk and chew gum at the same time!
Yes? That's why they're all about Dick Cheney.
"The Democrats are all about this hardcore Republican as a means of capturing the Leftist vote"
...huh?
Then you agree that escape is what matters and choosing the more comfortable flames to die in is not what's important.
Yes I agree, your burning house analogy isn't actually applicable to the scenario at hand (like the vegan analogy you keep doubling down on). That's my bad for trying to take it in good faith.
Nope, that's merely your opinion.
False.