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“Banning being discussed at schools” is not what anyone is doing.

Yes, that seems to be the goal of the politicians pushing the anti-CRT narrative.

It’s being banned from being taught at schools.

Because of the incredibly vague definition of "CRT", it often leads to teachers just staying away from any topic that could in any way be seen as "CRT". Discussing "controversial" topics can leave a teacher vulnerable for accusations by students and most teachers don't want to get in trouble, so they play it safe and stay away from the topic altogether.

Banning schools from using their position of authority over children to indoctrinate them on garbage philosophy is a reasonable position.

Isn't that a bit naive? Of course politicians always claim that their language and thought policing is reasonable and use justifications such as "we just want to protect the children" or "it's a matter of national security"..

So I take this to mean you’re for smaller government?

Depends on what you mean with "smaller government". In practice, "smaller government" often just means that big corporations get to do whatever they want. But yes, certainly in terms of language/thought policing, censorship and how much power politicians should have, I am on the side of "smaller government".

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/31/634373403/d-c-couple-killed-in-tajikistan-attack-were-biking-around-the-world-together

Right but tourists getting killed because they cycled through regions where ISIS was active does not represent the middle east as a whole.. That's as if tourists were killed in America by a drug cartel and you took that as a representation of all of America.

As for the CRT stuff, I know there are some crazies and overreactions.

Those "crazies" are generally politicians who are trying to use the fear of "CRT" to create laws banning the topic from being discussed at schools.

I think this is actually what some of these “bannings” are; not that you can’t think it or read about it, just that government paid educators are forbidden for presenting it as some kind of truth.

That's how the politicians try to present it as of course. But the problem is that the way they use and classify "CRT", it can mean virtually anything connected to race, which makes such laws dangerous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2021/09/29/critical-race-theory-bans-are-expanding-to-cover-broad-collection-of-issues/

Lol, most people don't "just trust the government".. But the thing is, simply hoping that government will just disappear will not in fact make it disappear.. And simply voting for the Libertarian party will also not make it disappear either.

What we can somewhat influence though is who has the most control/influence over the government. And I would rather have us, the people, having influence over government than just leaving corporations to do whatever they want with it while we pay their bills..

Oh so you acknowledge that the "honest question" in this meme is completely nonsensical and should not be taken seriously in any way? Great, we agree then.

It depends very much on where you go, which is why I said middle east.

But "middle east" isn't one place, right? There are plenty of destinations in the middle east that are insanly popular vacation spots for westeners. Many people got rich through oil there and they know that it won't last for ever, so many places in the middle east have been shifting focus to tourism for decades now. Hell, the world's most popular international sport event was last held in the middle east, they are spending a lot of money to signal to westeners that they are welcome and will be treated like kings..

And it seems to be working as many westeners, especially Europeans, enjoy traveling to the middle east. I know a lot of people who go to the middle east for vacation and while I personally am not really extremly interested in traveling there, I have not heard anyone feeling afraid of the government there..

And you’ll find that much of the “privilege” you feel is fear of your government.

I don't find that at all.. I'm sure there are places in the middle east, like places in Afganistan for example, where I wouldn't feel save. But even Afganistan/the taliban are begging for tourists, so I would mainly be afraid of ending up in the crossfire, not that the government will specifically target me for being white.. There might be other groups who target me for being white and the government will probably fuck with me if I disregard the rules, but certainly not more so than the government fucks with the local people, who are generally seen as "non-white".

If they don’t fear reprisal it will go differently as it did for those idiots who were driving across the middle east trying to prove the world was all full of love.

No clue who you are talking about, you are gonna have to provide a few more details.

I never said anything about banning CRT.

But that's ultimately why politicians rant against "CRT", right? They want to "ban CRT" and so far, they have been successful in 16 states. And the problem of course is that according to those politicians, "CRT" can mean pretty much anything vaguely related to race, which is great for them because they can use "anti CRT" to ban a relatively wide range of topics.

This is what gets me with many conservatives, you say stuff like "we like free speech, we don't want to ban free speech", and then as soon as some politician wants to ban something you don't like, you support them..

But the talking points here are CRT concepts.

According to politicians, CRT can mean virtually anything even remotely conntected to race..

You mean bc the left

Ah yes of course, another thing to blame the left for..

so they block us on other platforms

I think the reason why you get banned on the big platforms is because you are bad for business and because you turn every community into a call of duty lobby where a bunch of (either emotional or physical) 14 year olds scream slurs at eachother.. That's not a place where businesses want to advertise, woke advertising and pretending to care about social issues is the latest fad and you don't fit into that, so you get the boot..

Also, you are free to have your community here.. Nobody can censor you.. Of course people and other services can block/defederate you, but you could still have a conservative utopia here where you have discussions. Instead, all you do is complain about "the left", as you always do.. What happened to personal responsibility?

I know I'm repeating myself, but you can't call yourself "Ihatetroons", simultaniously cry about how the left unfairly accuses you of "hating troons" and expect anyone to take anything you say seriously..

THIS IS A MEME SUB.

Yeah no shit.. But there are 2 subs on this server which have any content, and both of them are meme subs.. Is the left stopping you from participating in non-meme subs on your own server?

Again, not by our design.

So the left is also responsible for how you design your spaces?

there are in fact other communities on this instance.

Are there? The closest to being an actual community is ask-exploding heads, and there are like 5 posts with comments in it.. I mean I get it, the defederation trend doesn't help this community grow, but if your whole position is an uncompromising and provoking attitude, I am asking myself once more what else you would expect the big instances to do.

Even from a pragmatic point of view, what admin would voluntarily say "oh yes, I would love to have more controversial memes on my server, that's always fun.". In reality, all this gets you is more people complaining about stuff on your server and/or a bigger moderation effort. You have to be pretty passionate about anti-trans memes in order to federate with a server like yours, or be a small enough server that not enough people care.

I think you may be confused on what free speech means.

We are talking about "free-speech" in the context of an international online forum, not in the context of US law, so I do think it's a bit interesting to think about how your "free speech" forum has a very one-sided narrative.

Did you expect something different?

No, to be honest, I didn't. But it still is interesting to actually see that even if you have full control over your server, even if you get to make the rules, you are still doing the same thing as always: Blame "the left" for everything all day long without suggesting any viable solutions.

If you want discussion, there’s DMT if you have thick enough skin

ok. Thing is though, I don’t really care.

Yeah, but again, I can't really believes you.. To me, you obviously seem to go out of your way to be percieved as a transphobic biggot.

It's like the 16 year old punk kid with a huge pink mohawk who will insist that "I don't give a fuck what people think about my looks", yet he will spend 2 hours a day to get his look just right..

So I don't know exactly what it is, maybe you crave attention, maybe it's a sex thing, idk, but I think you definitely care, whether you realize it or not..

my main goal with the s/n was to create something that the most disagreeable, sjw/activist cunts would probably block on sight so that I wouldn’t need to bother with them.

If what you are saying is actually serious, your logic would be deeply flawed. If I was annoyed by star wars fans on the internet, the last thing I would want to do is call myself "star_wars_sucks" because obviously, all that would do is provoke star wars fans into attacking me.. And I also can't really figure out how posting "star wars sucks" memes would help in any way.

The best way to not get bothered by people is by not mentioning the topic that annoys you at all and maybe block people who bring it up, but if I was posting memes online about how "star wars sucks", I would definitely expect to be bothered by star wars fans.

If you want discussion, there’s DMT if you have thick enough skin

Damn, you really think of yourself as an edgy badass, don't you? DMT is another right wing meme sub imo, nothing special.

They can dress it up with pretty words.

The point is that you seem to believe that people can just go to a hospital and get surgery instead of going to a therapist. Thats not how it works, you go to a therapist first.

they were posting off-topic shit repeatedly and frequently

Which is annoying, but the solution to that is moderation, right? Back in the forum days, you had admins who would remove your post instantly if you dared to post the wrong topic to the wrong place. But at one point, the idea that doing that would be "against free speech" became popular.

What else do you think would solve this issue?

Funny, bc all the stuff I was talking about was from BEFORE I decided to adopt that little moniker.

Even if we forget the username, you make it a point that you are “extremely frustrated with” the trans community, you call them "trannyfags", talk about them "mutilating their bodies", even admit that you don't like them. Did you also only start doing things like that when you adapted the name?

I mean we are talking about the internet here, people misunderstand eachother constantly and chronically irregardless of the topic. You can recieve death threats for saying something like "Videogame x was pretty good, but y was better".. How can you act in any way suprised or offended at people on the internet calling you a biggot for anything? Didn't you just mention "thick skin" and the importance of "free speech" and "posting offensive content"? Now you want to tell me that you were so offended at somebody calling you a biggot that essentially you became a biggot, at least as far as your online appearance goes?

I do hate the politics behind it.

I'm not quite sure what you mean with "the politics behind it", but isn't everyone sick of the culture war politics stuff?

I know you will probably disagree, but from "the left's" perspective, it isn't the left that's pushing the trans stuff. The left just wants what it always wanted, essentially the same thing you also claim to believe in: To let everyone live their lives how they want as long as they don't restrict someone elses' liberty. It's right wing politicians who scapegoat social minorities in order to divide people.

I get that you probably would love it if you could somehow get me to see that I’m a bigot and change my ways.

I mean your views are your views, if you genuinly don't want to hurt anyone and don't want to restrict anyone's freedom, I don't care too much what you believe in.

If I'm being honest, the thing that annoys me about right wingers the most isn't their view, it's how many present their views. And it's not even you choosing the "wrong language" or whatever, it's you seemingly going out of your way to provoke and be offensive, at the same time acting all offended when people inevitably get offended by your provocations and don't want anything to do with you, and at the same time you then complain about the left getting offended.. It's so frustratingly confusing and makes most dialoge impossible..

And don't get me wrong, I see similar behavior on the left as well, you have left leaning city people who unironically believe that all rural people are backwater hillbilly incest racist biggots. But that just makes it more frustrating as both sides just focus on complaining about the "idiots" on the other side and nothing ever gets done..

And while I will not be able to stop myself from voicing my opinions as you can see, I don't have any expectations of you changing your views. This is mostly about my interest in the views of people who think radically different than me or perhaps about if we have any possibility of getting along or at least share our views despite having radically different views.

But the fact remains that leftists drove me to it and that I don’t intend on changing.

Damn, the left really does control everything, doesn't it, even your own actions are actually the actions of the left at the end of the day..

If it eases your conscience to chalk me up as a trans hater, go right ahead. I really don’t care even a little bit.

Yeah again, this does make me think that it is indeed a sex thing. You get hard by people calling you a disgusting transphobic biggot, don't you, you naughty naughty boy..

Jokes aside, you have been a good sport, so thanks for suprising me and actually giving me somewhat of a "civil conversation".

If you go to the middle east and start dancing around in speedos as a white male you’re not going to feel very privileged.

So if you go to the middle east as a white person, especially a white man, you will feel incredibly privileged.. Maybe more so than in the west.. Of course there are significant differences depending on where exactly you go, but in a lot of places, there are significant differences of standards that apply to tourists compared to locals. And as a white person, people of course automatically assume that you are a tourist and they will be much much more tolerant towards behaviour that is normally not tolerated.

For example, there are many places where alcohol is completely illegal for locals, but it is completely legal for tourists. And if you wear a speedo, you might get some looks, but if your white, everyone knows you are a western tourist and will most likely tolerate it. If you are a local and/or non-white, chances of it being tolerated will probably be lower. And certainly if you are female, the chances of it being tolerated is virtually 0.

And there are many laws where the police either looks the other way, or it officially does not apply to westeners (anti-LGBT laws, sex outside of marriage laws, etc.)..

There’s nothing CRT can predict that “financial class theory” won’t predict better.

I mean there are a lot of different theories about many different things that might or might not be interesting for certain people. I'm not an academic, so I don't know if CRT is usefull or not, but at the end of the day, a theory is a theory.. It probably has it's limits of usefulness, but using the state to ban/outlaw a theory seems very questionable to me on principle.

If you are looking for actual opinions / discussions, then you may be misinformed or looking in the wrong place.

Dude, we both know that there is no space where right wingers have "civilized dicussions", at least not in places where non-right wingers are tolerated.. You guys seem to communicate via facebook tier memes at this point. The only possible place to have any contact with right wingers are "free-speech" meme communities because everywhere else, I would get banned pretty much immediately.

Those subs probably have the highest number of users right

They are the only communities with any numbers right now, the rest is virtually dead..

Well, if speech is free, then why not?

"Free speech" kinda implies that memes with different opinions and views are posted. Instead, the opposite is the case, it's virtually only one viewpoint that is presented.

However, I don’t set out to exclusively post stuff about Trans despite what you seem to be thinking.

Given your attitude towards the trans community, I definitely don't think you do it on purpose.. In practice, I still see a community that is obsessed with the trans community to an absurd degree..

I have plenty of posts memeing other topics like socialism, authoritarian regimes, Joe and Hunter Biden, censorship, how leftists like as a group tend to have a large number of individuals that claim to be more accepting / less racist but in actually are less accepting / more racist, and so on.

Right, the way I see it, you guys have exactly two topics, or one topic depending on how you look at it. It's "the gays/homos/trans" and "the left". In practice, those two are often treated as the same thing.

That's pretty much it. It's pretty much the same as the liberals who go on about Trump all day long and about how everyone not living in cities is a violent racist homophobe..

Now, I know what your probably thinking. Some guy that creates a s/n about hating troons is probably a “transphobic bigot”. Personally, I give zero fucks what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes.

Right, but the thing is nobody will ever believe you when you are called "ihatetroons", write about how much you hate "troons", post memes about how "troons" are pedos, etc.

It's pretty much the same as the KKK member saying "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" or "I don't hate black people, I just want them to live seperately from white people, that's better for everyone". Either your definition of "transphobic bigot" is different from most others or you are just a bad troll..

And if someone wants to irreparably mutilate their own bodies instead of going to a therapist

Right, that's how it works, you just go to the trans factory and say "one body mutilating transition please"..

But when those same politics start bringing that stuff into the grade school classrooms or bullying tactics like “you can’t disagree with us or you’re a bigot” start getting thrown around, then I give lots of fucks.

The funny thing is that it was mostly you guys yourself that have built that narrative.. Sure, if you go looking for it, you will find dumb people doing dumb things, that's true for every possible group of people. But you guys seem to be working overtime to keep up the fantasy world where you get oppressed daily intact and that's on you.

I’ve also seen several online tech forums that have nothing to do with gender of any kind invite all types and over the course of several years end up getting a lot of trans and furry content posted all over in the general areas, which kind of pissed me off.

No way, tech online forums are filled with weird nerds who like strange stuff? Who would have thought..

The issue in my view was the move away from strongly moderated forums where your comment would get removed for the simplest of reasons towards the idea that online forums should be as unmoderated as humanly possible because of "freedom of speech". And the reason this happened was probably because big tech didn't want the effort that comes with moderating a community.

But of course you want a free-speech forum, or am I wrong?

So if speaking out about stuff like that makes me a hater, then I don’t care anymore.

Being critical or questioning things doesn't make one a hater. But again, you are literally called "ihatetroons", so I seriously don't understand why you want to act suprised when people actually take what you say half-way seriously.. Don't you think this whole game about "I don't really dislike trans people, well just a little bit, but I actually hate the politics" is a bit silly? I mean again, even if you were just using that name to be edgy and to trigger the libs (which everyone claims), you are actively trying to signal to everyone that you hate trans people, so you shouldn't be suprised when people think you actually do..

Saying "white people are privileged" isn't a judgement though, it is a perceived description of reality. And because of "racism" (the idea that humanity can be separated into different "races" based on characteristics such as skin color), if society places you in the "white people" category, you will be treated differently than if you are placed into the "non-white category".

To name a specific and concrete example, if you happen to get classified as "white", you will not be racially profiled and searched by police simply because of your racial classification. In this specific case, white people have the privilege of not having to deal with that issue.

Where the idea of white privilege falls short is that it implies that "white people" are always more privileged and/or better off than "black people" in every way, which is obviously not true. In reality, your perceived class identity is much more important when it comes to how you are probably going to be treated by society.

The issue is that oftentimes, race is used to judge someone's class status. A black person is more likely to be classified as "poor". However, when you are "white", but you look like a homeless person, you will probably be treated in a similar way.

in context he is calling for capital punishment for criminals who abuse children

He was literally saying that "trannyfags should be lined up and shot.", that's the direct quote..

He didn't say "People who sexually abuse children should be prosecuted and punished according to the law with the death penalty", he said "trannyfags should be lined up and shot"..

And he had the opportunity to edit and/or clearify his comment to avoid misunderstandings for several days, but he didn't, he instead replied with "cry about it.."..

Also, notice how the comment was eventually removed after several days? Since this is a free-speech community where comments aren't normally removed, I think even the mods disagreed with your interpretation..

If 20% of child predators drank frisca and only 1% of normal people drank frisca I would not want my children around frisca drinkers.

Ok but does this not prove that your thinking is completely irrational/illogical and entirely guided by emotions?

If 20% of child predators drank frisca and only 1% of normal people drank frisca, my immediate thought would not be "frisca is causing people to become child predators so I need to keep my kids away from them", that would be ridiculous.. It would be "why is there a correlation between frisca drinking and child abusing?"..

If you don't apply simple logic and only rely on irrational emotional reasoning, you might as well argue that all men should be imprisoned because the vast majority of violent crimes is committed by men.

Trannies are overwhelmingly sexual predators.

The idea that members of the LGBT community is tied to pedophilia has been around for decades, if not centuries, without any evidence to support it. It used to be gay men that were accused of being pedos and child abusers, now it's trans people.

You have got to be trolling, you cannot possible believe that this makes any logical sense..

Most child predators drink water. Do you drink water?