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[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 hours ago

Performances like that is why it should have stayed 5 nations and just had promotion - relegation with a tier below. Wales & Italy being guaranteed spots in the Test Championship series for so long is a real shame for any of the other 3rd tier teams vying for their spots.

;)

One thing im finding interesting about the international Rugby at the moment is I think you could say the top tier is probably Ireland, SA, NZ, France and maybe England. Then 2nd tier is very compressed, probably only Argentina, Scotland & Australia before there's a noticeable drop down to Italy, Fiji, Wales, and then an even more noticeable dip to Georgia, Samoa, Japan. After that you're getting into the Portgual, Tonga, Uruguay.

Outside of the top 8 where you could see Argentina, Scotland and (maybe) Australia pulling off wins against the top 5, it seems to me that each chunk of teams you drop down really do seem completely unlikely of upsetting even the tier immediately above at the moment. I haven't quite put my finger on why that might be but im wondering if it comes down to the advantage modern defences have, much better strength & condition plus the best teams having benches where there's just no dip in quality.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 hours ago

Well I picked England putting points on the board against Australia who've really struggled in defence this year, I just did not have Australia busting through England's D on the cards at all. Full credit to them, Sua'ali'i looked deserving of his selection which is remarkable given its basically his first game of Union since high school; helped a lot by Ikitau who's been having a great year. Schmidt seems to have really found a good balance with the loosies now, if they can just tidy up on D they'll be back to being a real threat.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 2 points 4 hours ago

I think if anything he was still pretty lenient towards them, and only when they most blatantly rolled into the path of the cleanout or halfback were they pinged. I've noticed in a few of these NH internationals now the counter-ruckers swimming around the side of the ruck and not driving tryline to tryline by more corner to corner which for mine is probably something worth more attention than the current focus on escorts for contestables.

I think that's similar to the England game - their only try came from an opportunist intercept they weren't able to break down the ABs defence. Same story today, Ireland's only try comes with the ABs down to 14 and space out wide, and its wasn't particularly creative, just folding right into space until the try came.

Lowe was great, but Hansen & Keenan were basically anonymous. Ringrose really didn't do much either - I guess it comes down a bit to the ABs chocking Ireland of possession too but of the Irish back three the workmate was well down in comparison to the ABs.

Fulltime thoughts:

  • Sam Cane getting driven back into the in-goal came after he got a knee down in field and so was tackled, it could have been a penalty for all 3 tacklers not releasing. Somewhat surprised the scrum move didn't just go to a Bundee Aki charge with Jordie Barrett off and they instead worked several phases to the right to find the space.
  • All Blacks taking a quick throw instead of chewing up time on the card was stupid, but fortunately got a penalty off a dodgy cleanout. Brainless rugby. Taking the penalty kick after the the holding-on call moments later was much more sensible, and chewed up a bunch of time plus a brilliant kick with all sorts of trouble on the tee put the score back to 1.
  • Stop/Start rugby but doesn't seem to be impacting the ABs as much as it has in previous seasons - maybe they've adapted to it rather than hoping other teams won't be able to just get away with it. If anything they're using the stop as much themselves. That and the constant mistakes have made for a mostly very boring game - albeit it tense due to the scoreline.
  • Not sure I agree with taking the penalty kick after the scrum penalty against the Irish tighthead. The ABs have struggled to get into the Irish 22m and the scores are only behind by 1 going for a line out and possible try might have helped to swing momentum more. Albeit, McKenzie is kicking really well so taking the 3 still put the ABs ahead, but give Ireland territory back from the restart.
  • Ireland's handling is starting to be a bit of a liability for them, they've had less than parity in possession so these second half drops are hurting them more than it did the ABs in the first half with 2/3 possession.
  • If the ground was cutting up and the players were looking a lot muddier I reckon everybody would be more understanding of the fairly conservative rugby being played - or rather the lack of rugby being played.
  • Irish crowd behaving like a Kiwi crowd, mostly quiet and just cheering when something's happened. Not really acting as the 16th man that you'd hope for at a home test!
  • Jordie Barrett's kick-off catches have been superb and given the ABs a comfortable platform to exit from. And the Irish receipt of the ABs clearance has been woeful in comparison - given up both territory and possession and piling more pressure on themselves. The second half has been well controlled by the ABs, but to a huge part has been helped by Ireland's lack of control. But for all that 10 points up, 9 minutes to go and Ireland are definitely not out of this.
  • Will Jordan's kicking game is both ill advised and it sucks. He is a long way off being the quality of fullback in test matches that he is allowed to be at Super Rugby.
  • Nic Berry may well be the form referee in the world right now; comms, calmness, decision making throughout have been excellent.
  • 3 from 3 so far so a guaranteed 3/5 makes this a very successful tour and and overall successful year for the ABs unless they somehow lose to Italy in 2 weekends.

He's come back out to sit on the naughty chair after the break so I guess that's still yellow then.

One of the first angles shown it looked like the initial contact was shoulder to shoulder which rode up to shoulder-head, and given the impact wasn't strong he had gone down just could have gone down more, plus the Irish player dipped a little I'm hopeful that commonsense will prevail and it will remain yellow. After all previous Ireland-New Zealand test matches have shown you can make a completely upright tackle, concuss & break the check of the opposition player and it is a confirmed yellow only.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 day ago (6 children)

IRE v NZ Halftime thoughts:

  • Rule changes to eliminate escorts protecting the defending jumper on a kick chase will result in more contestable being put up again which will lead to another incident such as Arendse - Barrett, enough of those and someone will get paralysed or killed.
  • Bit of a trend this year that the ABs ruck protection for half backs is lacking, both for box kicks and giving them clean passes. It tends to be a lot worse for slower rucks where the defence timing or general disruption causes problems. I have no idea if it’s allowed in rucks, but seems to me the Irish loosies are swimming around the sides to cause the disruption at the back. All of that is making things messy for the ABs especially when they forget to get someone in to be the halfback.
  • 10 minutes in, reminded how good Nic Berry has gotten as a referee, comms are great (marked contrast to the ref last weekend in Fiji v Scotland).
  • Irish tacklers holding on post contact in the wet is really hindering the ABs ball carriers from a clean place - would be interested to know if its a thing players train in the wet because it works really well to shift their body position on the ground.
  • ABs defence has improved significantly since the first England tests this year, which is letting them control possession and territory a lot better. I’m pretty 50/50 on the coaching team so far but have to admit where there is clear improvement.
  • I don't really agree with the policy of carding head contacts that are noticed to try to avoid future litigation from players. So you can imagine how I feel about the JB yellow.

Its been mostly quite trash so far - the wet ball isn't helping anybody!

Quite a lot of the AB XV best players got called into the ABs squad as injury cover so I'm not as bullish.

Musically I get it because its decking boring; but culturally its really important for us to recognise both partners to Te Tiriti.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Bit of controversy in the anthems with the Irish band forgetting that the Aotearoa-New Zealand anthem has two verses and its quite important that we do them both giving equal standing to both treaty partners that establish the country.

 

I hated Cheika when he was the Wallabies coach and having ding dong battles with the ABs. But since he's coached around the place and learning a lot more about his story i've begun to find him a much more interesting and charming coach than I ever gave him credit for.

This is a great interview, well worth a listen and i'm so far barely half way through it.

 

I guess week 1 was really NZ v Japan last week, but somehow I don't think that really counts.

Ran out of puff at the end of the NPC so haven't been posting much, but lets have a thread to discuss this weekend's matches.

 

Super Rugby obviously has a bit of a weird structure now with only 11 teams after the Melbourne Rebels collapsed.

It got me thinking a bit about what NZR & ARU could change assuming no other countries are going to join, and one thing I wondered was whether New Zealand should deliberately weaken our Super franchises to help make the Australian ones more competitive & hopefully make their public a bit more interested (if they win more).

So I started to think about what the population spread was like around New Zealand and one thing that really sticks out is how bottom heavy our current distribution of clubs is. 1 million punters in the South Island get 2 franchises, but 4.5m odd North Islanders only get 3 + Moana Pasifika. Its actually a bit silly that the Highlanders still exist given the population shifts since the 90s.

Anyway, that made me wonder if it might be possible to in effect add a 6th New Zealand franchise - which including MP would make 7 based in New Zealand in total, so came up with this before & after table to show how its a much more equitable split. And then 7 NZ, 4 Aus & 1 Fiji gets us back to 12 Franchises and at least in NZ gets more games in front of more people.

Super Franchise Population Approx Provinces Population (2018) Stadiums Capacity
Auckland Blues 1850k Northland 186k Semenoff Stadium 19k
Counties-Manukau ^1^ Navigation Homes Stadium 12k
North Harbour ^1^ North Harbour Stadium 25k
Auckland 1655k Eden Park 50k
Waikato Chiefs 920k Bay of Plenty 321k Rotorua International Stadium, Mercury Baypark 26k & 20k
Waikato 476k FMG Stadium 25k
Taranaki 121k Yarrow Stadium 25k
Wellington Hurricanes 950k Hawke’s Bay 172k McLean Park 24k
Manawatū 248k^2^ Arena Manawatu 15k
Wellington 526k Sky Stadium 35k
Canterbury Crusaders 725k Tasman 103k^3^ Trafalgar Park 18k
Canterbury 623k One NZ Stadium^4^ 30k
Otago Highlanders 335k Otago 235k Forsyth Barr Stadium 31k
Southland 101k Rugby Park 17k
Moana Pasifika^5^ - North Harbour based - North Harbour Stadium 25k
  • 1 Included with Auckland.
  • 2 Includes Whanganui in the census data.
  • 3 From 2026 I think the new stadium is supposed to be in use.
  • 4 Includes Marlborough, same as the NPC Province
  • 5 Moana Pasifika are currently, and for the forseeable future going to be playing most of their matches in New Zealand, neither Samoa nor Tonga have stadiums and infrastructure setup to host like Fiji Drua have.
  • Population regions not included:
    • Gisborne 50k - because its quite remote from either Hurricanes or Chiefs
    • West Coast South Island 32k - because its remote from everywhere
New Regional Franchise Provinces Population Approx Stadiums
Auckland North Northland 850k Semenoff Stadium
North Harbour North Harbour Stadium
Auckland South Auckland 850k Eden Park
Counties-Manukau Navigation Homes Stadium
West North Island Waikato 600k FMG Stadium
Taranaki Yarrow Stadium
East North Island Bay of Plenty 550k^6^ Rotorua International Stadium, Mercury Baypark
Hawke’s Bay McLean Park
Bottom North Island Wellington 770k Sky Stadium
Manawatū Arena Manawatu
Canterbury Crusaders Tasman 725k Trafalgar Park
Canterbury One NZ Stadium
Otago Highlanders Otago 335k Forsyth Barr Stadium
Southland Rugby Park
  • 6 I included Gisborne population in this one as with a franchise based in this part of the country they are a bit more included than they are with the Chiefs or Hurricanes.
 

Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Tasman 9 8 5 37
2 Wellington 9 7 7 35
3 Taranaki 9 7 7 35
4 BoP 9 6 9 33
5 Hawke's Bay 9 6 8 32
6 Waikato 9 5 8 28
7 Canterbury 9 5 5 25
8 Counties-Manukau 9 4 7 23
9 North Harbour 9 3 11 23
10 Otago 9 4 5 21
11 Auckland 9 3 7 19
12 Northland 9 2 5 13
13 Southland 9 2 4 12
14 Manawatū 9 1 5 9

Fixtures: 4/10:

  • Northland v Otago

5/10:

  • Manawatū v Counties-Manukau
  • Southland v North Harbour
  • Wellington v Hawke's Bay
  • Canterbury v Waikato

6/10:

  • Tasman v Taranaki
  • Auckland v Bay of Plenty

Notes: Auckland managing to fail against Hawke's Bay on the Saturday didn't bode well for their effort to take the shield off Tasman, and sure enough they failed again so bar a miracle where they manage to beat BoP and the two worst teams pick up wins they're out. Ditto for Otago.

The drama in this round is basically down to how many bonus points North Harbour pick up against Southland, compared to Counties-Manukau against the Manawatū Turbos who are awful.

Beyond that there's still another couple of big games. Given recent form Hawke's Bay are unlikely to be much of a challenge for Wellington, but the Tasman v Taranaki game should determine who gets 2nd place and later that day Waikato & Canterbury are basically playing to determine which team they have to travel to for the quarter finals.

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NZ NPC Round 8 (lemmy.nz)
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Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Wellington 8 7 7 35
2 Tasman 7 7 4 32
3 Taranaki 8 6 6 30
4 BoP 8 5 8 28
5 Hawke's Bay 8 5 7 27
6 Canterbury 8 5 5 25
7 Waikato 8 4 7 23
8 Counties-Manukau 8 3 6 18
9 North Harbour 8 2 10 18
10 Auckland 7 3 5 17
11 Otago 8 3 4 16
12 Northland 8 2 5 13
13 Southland 8 2 4 12
14 Manawatū 8 1 3 7

Fixtures: 27/09:

  • Counties-Manukau v Wellington

28/09:

  • BoP v Northland
  • Hawke's Bay v Auckland
  • Otago v Tasman

29/09:

  • North Harbour v Canterbury
  • Southland v Waikato
  • Taranaki v Manawatū

2/10:

  • Tasman v Auckland

Predictions:

  • Wellington 15+
  • BoP 21+
  • Hawke's Bay 1-^1^
  • Tasman 12+
  • North Harbour 6-
  • Waikato 12+
  • Taranaki 50+

1 - I don't know if Folau Fakatava is back from injury yet or not; he's been out the last two games and without him as a 2nd playmaker my Magpies have been dreadful. No ability to relieve pressure means two massive hidings in a row. This is a prediction from the heart, not the head :)

Notes:

Its now the second to last round, and mathematically probably only Manawatū are definitively outside of the top 8, but I think we can assume that Northland and Southland are also no chance given at best they can only be expecting to win 1/2.

Otago are also only likely to win 1 more match so there's the 4 wooden spooners confirmed and we only need to pick two more teams to stay or slip out of the top 8.

Auckland have had a terrible season, but have 3 games in hand, so could pick up another 15 points, except they are playing Hawke's Bay, Tasman & BoP so are only likely to win 1, they should finish somewhere around 24 points.

North Harbour could beat Canterbury, and should beat Southland so are potentially looking at a points upside of 6-10 points, but Counties-Manukau have a guaranteed win against Manawatū so for Harbour to make it they really need to push for a win against the Rams.

Waikato should pick up another 4-5 points against Southland, even if they lose to Canterbury the following week so are probably safe.

So, weirdly the two other teams that are at some risk are Hawke's Bay & Canterbury, purely because neither of their next two games are guaranteed wins. The Rams are probably more likely to get a win given the Magpies woeful form since losing the Shield, but i'd say both of them are likely safe - even if the 'pies get the job done with bonus points rather than wins.

As for the top of the table, well with a game in hand, the high spending Tasman Makos are most likely to take 1st place again, followed by Wellington. Taranaki & BoP will both get wins this round, so if Auckland continue to suck and Tasman continue to be good, BoP will secure 3rd in the final game of the round-robin ahead of the playoffs.

 
  • All Blacks v Wallabies
  • Argentina v South Africa

Big news ahead of Bledisloe 1 is that Beauden Barrett is out with illness which sees Jordan move to 15, Reece comes on at 14 with Harry Plumber being named on the reserve bench.

That suggests he’s leapt ahead of Havili as the utility player - and in a way it actually does make a lot of sense. Jordan, JB & McKenzie give 3 options at 15, Plumber gives cover at 10 & 12, and ALB gives 12 & 13 cover with the option of Ioane heading to the wing too. Very versatile backs.

 

Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Wellington 7 6 6 30
2 Tasman 6 6 4 28
3 BoP 7 5 7 27
4 Hawke's Bay 7 5 7 27
5 Waikato 7 4 6 22
6 Taranaki 7 4 4 20
7 Canterbury 7 4 4 20
8 Counties-Manukau 7 3 5 17
9 North Harbour 6 2 8 16
10 Southland 7 2 4 12
11 Otago 7 2 4 12
12 Auckland 6 2 4 12
13 Northland 7 1 4 8
14 Manawatū 7 1 3 7

Fixtures:

20/09

  • Hawke's Bay v Taranaki

21/09

  • Northland v North Harbour
  • Canterbury v Counties-Manukau
  • Wellington v BoP

22/09

  • Waikato v Tasman
  • Auckland v Southland
  • Manawatū v Otago

25/09

  • Taranaki v North Harbour

Predictions:

  • Hawke's Bay 3+ (going with my heart on this one bc after last weekend, the head says its going to be a struggle)
  • North Harbour 14+
  • Canterbury 10+
  • Wellington 4+
  • Tasman 10+
  • Auckland 10+
  • Otago 5+
  • Taranaki 10+

Notes: Including this weekend there are 3 rounds left until the quarter-finals, the current top 4 should make the top 8 though all of them would be hoping for at least 1 win from the next 3 matches. Especially with Tasman & Taranaki having a game in hand, the former should be eyeing up top of the table.

Of course, they're a very good team, and clearly well resourced given the talent they have signed up so anything outside of top 4 would have been a fail. I'd say the top 7 are probably going to make the playoffs and its really just about whether North Harbour or Counties-Manukau squeek in last place.

 

Write up from my old mate Max Rashbrooke on the success of the school lunch program, and the likely impacts of the cuts to the program from the National-Act-NZ First government.

 

Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Wellington 6 6 6 30
2 Hawke's Bay 6 5 7 27
3 Tasman 5 5 3 23
4 BoP 6 4 6 22
5 Taranaki 5 4 4 20
6 Waikato 6 3 5 17
7 Canterbury 6 3 3 15
8 Otago 6 2 4 12
9 Counties-Manukau 6 2 4 12
10 North Harbour 5 1 7 11
11 Southland 5 2 7 11
12 Auckland 5 1 3 7
13 Northland 6 1 3 7
14 Manawatū 5 0 2 2

Fixtures:

13/09:

  • Southland v Canterbury

14/09:

  • BoP v Taranaki
  • North Harbour v Manawatū
  • Waikato v Hawke's Bay

15/09:

  • Counties-Manukau v Otago
  • Tasman v Wellington
  • Northland v Auckland

18/09:

  • Manawatū v Southland

Predictions: Canterbury 9- BoP 5+ North Harbour 25+ Hawke's Bay 5- Otago 5- Wellington 3+ Auckland 9- Southland 5-

Notes: Well, after the absolute tragedy that befell Hawke's Bay in their Shield defense against the Mako, i'm hoping Wellington will visit Nelson and at least ensure that Tasman only get to celebrate for a week.

That should be a hell of a game with all of the squad ABs being released to play for their provinces and Wellington have been very good so far this season.

Last weekend saw a lot of movement in the bottom half of the table - with lots of drama as well. See if you can find clip of wet-ball-gate from the Battle of the Bridge. Absolute dastardly shithousery robbed North Harbour.

There's plenty of other good matches ahead this weekend too - BoP v Taranaki should settle who's in 4th place, and the mid-week home game for the Turbos could be their only chance of picking up a win this season.

I'm glad the tests are over for this weekend, hopefully the rugby pundits down here will pay some attention to the NPC in their shows. But likely it'll get a passing mention while they spend 45 minutes talking up the Wobblies and then at the end of the season they'll have another moan about how nobody cares about the NPC.

 

Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Hawke's Bay 5 5 5 25
2 Wellington 4 4 4 20
3 Tasman 4 4 3 19
4 BoP 5 3 5 17
5 Waikato 5 3 4 16
6 Taranaki 4 3 3 15
7 Southland 4 2 2 10
8 Otago 4 2 2 10
9 Canterbury 5 2 2 10
10 North Harbour 4 1 5 9
11 Northland 5 1 3 7
12 Counties-Manukau 5 1 3 7
13 Auckland 4 0 2 2
14 Manawatū 4 0 2 2

Fixtures: Friday 06/09: BoP v Manawatū

Saturday 07/09: Auckland v North Harbour Wellington v Southland Otago v Canterbury Hawke's Bay v Tasman (Ranfurly Shield)

Sunday 08/09: Taranaki v Waikato Counties-Manukau v Northland

Wednesday 11/09: Otago v Wellington

Notes: The biggest game this round is the Ranfurly Shield match on Saturday night, Tasman have never one it as the combined union of Marlborough/Nelson Bays so they'll be up for it; and of course Hawke's Bay will be desperate to keep their winning record. Whoever wins gets both the log o' wood and top of the table.

Other than that, there's a couple of other usually fierce derbies. The Battle of the Bridge on Satuurday, then Otago v Canterbury. Most of the rest of the matches aren't especially exciting.

My Predictions: BoP 24+ North Harbour 9- Wellington 18+ Otago 3- Hawke's Bay 3- Taranaki 9+ Northland 9- Wellington 6+

 

Unfortunately that's behind a paywall, but there's ways and means of reading it, eg via RSS subscription to NZ Herald.

A couple of notes for the benefit of those that can't read it. Two lecturers in maths education have pointed out that Luxon's claim that there is a crisis is misleading as the achievement data is "based on a new draft curriculum, with a higher benchmark compared to previous years."

ie, the standard for achievement is higher, not the level of maths knowledge declining suddenly. In fact "We’ve been tracking student achievement in mathematics at Year 8 for more than 10 years, and in that time, there has been no evidence for improvement or decline."

More alarmingly for me, a ministerial advisory group was setup which has recommended a new curriculum even while acknowledging there is a lack of evidence for teaching maths the way it proscribes.

That advisory group is chaired by an NZ Initiative idealogue, Dr Michael Johnston and the article almost infers he is basically pushing his own manifesto on how education should be conducted into the curriculum - again, despite evidence it has application to maths education.

For anyone that doesn't know, the NZ Initiative was formed by merging the Business Roundtable and the NZ Institute. They are far right neoliberal idealogues and you'll see people cycle through the organisation before going into political reporting or lobbying, or in Nicola Willis case being placed into political party roles.

 

Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Hawke's Bay 4 4 4 20
2 BoP 4 3 5 17
3 Wellington 3 3 3 15
4 Tasman 3 3 2 14
5 Taranaki 3 2 3 11
6 Canterbury 4 2 2 10
7 Otago 3 2 1 9
8 North Harbour 3 1 3 7
9 Waikato 3 1 2 6
10 Southland 3 1 1 5
11 Northland 3 1 1 5
12 Auckland 3 0 2 2
13 Counties-Manukau 4 0 2 2
14 Manawatū 3 0 1 1

Fixtures:

Friday 30/08:

  • Northland v Southland

Saturday 31/08:

  • North Harbour v Counties-Manukau
  • Taranaki v Otago
  • Waikato v Auckland
  • Tasman v BoP

Sunday 01/09:

  • Canterbury v Wellington
  • Manawatū v Hawke's Bay

Wednesday 04/09:

  • Waikato v Northland

My Predictions:

  • Northland 9+
  • North Habour 18+
  • Taranaki 6+
  • Waikato 9+
  • Tasman 6+
  • Wellington 9-
  • Hawke's Bay 15+
  • Northland 6-

1/3 of Round Robin Notes: With Round 3/9 complete now (the fixtures list I refer to has the playoffs as Rounds 10-12 which is a bit random) I figured i'd entertain myself by doing a bit of a stock-take of where we are at.

The defending champs Taranaki are progressing ok with their 1 loss so far coming away to one of the top 4 teams Wellington, are sitting ok, but the draw is a little unkind to them in that their easier games are mostly at home but they still have to play BoP, Tasman & Hawke's Bay on the road.

The comp progresses through quarter-finals, semis to the final so they'll make the playoffs but will need to work hard to get the home advantage they had last year.

The beaten finalists Hawke's Bay are looking quite good especially this week picking up a win away in Canterbury during the storm week. Time will tell though as its all tough games from now, even this Sunday's match against cellar dwellers Manawatū could be banana peel being the 3rd match in 9 days.

Probably the biggest surprise so far is how average Waikato, and how poor Auckland have been. You know you're having a bad season when Southland are ahead of you on the table.

The current top 5 look likely to make the playoffs, of the rest Canterbury will surely make it in though are battling a lot of injuries. The table feels a bit similar to Super Rugby this year. The top 4-5 are clear but places 6-12 are still probably anyone's to take and really only Manawatū & Counties-Manukau are looking completely out of the running.

Crowd wise - its the usual story. The over-saturated Super Rugby markets that struggled to get people to turn up unless it was a big game struggle to get people to show to the NPC. But the provinces that get one or no Super Rugby matches are having pretty good crowds in attendance from what i've seen so far.

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