Jabril

I like how you say iirc as if you are remembering a fact that has been said instead of a line that has been fed to you to repeat without knowing that it is totally ungrounded in reality

they aren't saying anything unique or new, just pointing out the obvious and saying so that's why you should... join DSA? no thanks

I'm not arguing in favor of illiteracy I'm saying that the average person won't make time to get more literate between their three jobs but they will show up to get free groceries or a dental exam

I agree generally that people in this country no matter their class background benefit enough from imperialism and the domestic slave colony to not put effort into their own political development. I do think however, after a decade of serious organizing, nearly all the best comrades I've ever met have more to gain from the status quo than they do by being communists. They devote their lives to it because it is right, and they have seen too much to go back. The average person does benefit but also agrees with every socialist policy and just thinks it isn't attainable because they have never been educated about politics beyond the default programming. Literally our jobs as communists to find those people and show them that they can change things and how.

which is why I said fully invested. if they aren't invested enough to vote, they are just default libs because they were born here, just like literally everyone else who was born here, you and me included.

I think almost half the eligible voting population didn't vote and there's a massive base of people who are not eligible to vote beyond that.

Lmao if only this were true. If only one of the dozens of liberals I spent hours explaining why Kamala was not getting my vote to actually changed their position because of it.

yes exactly "we can build our own resilience hubs and logistic networks so we can feed ourselves when the government abandons us again" is a stronger sell and meets people where they are vulnerable, their own survival. Connecting to people by immediately helping them survive is going to build stronger relationships quicker. apply all the concepts that we know to the structure and organization but I think going "socialist party" route is old hat

I think organizations built around solving more pressing needs will do better. You won't be able to get a person that you are describing to show up to a reading group or to get educated just for education sake. Maybe you could get a person but not many. If you are giving them food when they need food, or helping them get their car lights fixed so they don't get pulled over and have to pay tickets, or helping them fight their landlords and bosses through organizing legal clinics, or helping them get their power back on, you create a captive audience who have the same issues in life and have come to you willingly because you help them to survive. This is more powerful than helping them to be educated or literate, things they don't likely see these as issues of importance in their lives, no matter how wrong they may be about that.

Not in US, a socialist party implies what OP posted, making a brand, some rules, and a book club. virtually no socialist party in america of note is actively engaged with serving the people at all, and their membership is mostly made up of people who do not look like the most marginalized and oppressed.

They do this every time a republican wins to some degree, what matters is how you keep them engaged and developed while they still care, because I give it 2 weeks before most libs go back to their normal lives.

tbh I doubt they would even get back to you for that, PSL is notoriously bad at getting back to people in general while also only helping people to promote PSL and Peace & Freedom's candidates or show up to ANSWER stuff. maybe they will be changing these things with the election over, trying to use the momentum to build their party up.

I think non political people who have the standard 8th grade civ level of understanding installed and otherwise are just obviously people who care about life and other living things are really the best because it is easy to walk them to "the system doesn't work," they typically understand that already and just don't have the words to describe it. getting a group of people in similar shitty circumstances together and forming a plan on how to tackle those issues through building an organization together can be as easy as a bbq in the lawn at your local slumlord's apartment building. just need to analyze your local conditions and find the contradictions that have the most kinetic energy so to speak