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How doesn't it make sense, those are policies I would like to see, that a lot of voters would like to see actually.

You’re advocating for a bunch of policies proposed by no parties

Yeah no shit mate, that's exactly the problem.

vote Lib Dem?

So what? I've voted LD in the past because they have had more progressive policy and they support PR voting reform unlike Labour they actually implement as policy objectives the things their members vote for, unlike Keir who just ignores his party on issues like PR. Yeah Daveys not inspiring, but neither is Keith.

The party that comes closest to what you say you want is Labour.

No it isn't, I just laid out for you the kind of policy I want and Labour are a million miles away in Tory land.

The cowardly thing for them to do would be to pretend that everything’s just great, that we can all just cross our fingers and wish the Tories away.

Isn't that exactly what he's doing? Crossing his fingers and having power handed to him by default because the Tories are hated and the voting system is shit? That's what it seems like to me.

They’re actually out there trying to win the votes they need to make things better.

They are trying to won votes, but HOW are they going to make things better? Are they going to do anything about those major issues I mentioned?

Because all I've heard from fucking Keith is Tory talking points about growth and tough on crime and it makes me want to fucking vomit.

You know if he said he was going to be tough on Tory criminals and criminal wealth hoarders like the Royal family.. I could get on board with that, but we all know what that shit is about it'll be 'anti social behaviour' and cracking down on poor people smoking weed and shit.

Edit :

Also, I know this is youtube comments but I just came across this, just take a look at the comments under Starmers interview here it's remarkable how similar in general they are to what I am saying and there's LOADS of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcPqLVUQn4c

You can’t expect them to fix everything

I don't but I do expect them to grapple the big issues, like our broken electoral system (and the media and it's ownership for that matter) and climate change, I'd like them to actually redistribute all the wealth in this country i.e take it off the billionaires and aristocrats and companies that are hoarding wealth.

Labour’s current pledge to reform planning rules to allow more housebuilding (and actually more building generally, including onshore wind) will go some way to fixing that problem.

It won't, it is faffing about at the edges, we need to stop anybody who isn't resident here owning property and we need taxes on multiple ownership as well as a mass social house building program.

None of that will happen if they don’t get elected. That’s the bit you’re calling ‘pandering’ and I’m calling ‘media management’. Allowing yourself to get distracted by the marketing, which I’m afraid is what you’re doing, instead of the substance, is a mistake.

I know, and I personally think is cowardly as fuck.

Make your case and bring people with you is the way to actually gain support, all he is doing is playing the same old FPTP game. With no intention of reforming it.

I know I know perfect enemy of good and whatever, but I think he's shite, I'm very disappointed.

They are a crime family.

Labour’s 100% track record at making the country better over

Sorry but, I actually remember the Labour years and this is massively over simplifying.

They actually encouraged and made worse a lot of problems we are dealing with now, things like housing and starting an illegal war.

That aside, we are talking about a different labour to the one from 15+ years ago and the things Keir is saying are not very encouraging and I don't support a party, I vote for policy so that's why I take a dim view of what I'm hearing.

Might they be marginally better, maybe, I used to believe that but I'm sorry he's lost me. I know you and Kier will say that the proof is in the polling, and that might be true but I think with how god-awful this last decade has been it should be even better than that.

I am sick to fuck of pandering to old boomer fucks in marginal constituencies. You probably got that tho right?

Pollster and focus group? I've not seen any such evidence.

It seems my guess is as good as any bodies really, and I can certainly imagine there are others who are revolted by the way Labour has been going on.

Fair point about Davey, and in fairness I've no idea what they are even about now they are so irrelevant.

I’m going to vote for the party that always makes the country better

I'd like to believe Labour will do that, I just don't.

That sub is shite.

We should just take it, it was taken in the first place by force.

I knew it was going to be that awful video.

Mate it's entirely and totally wrong, here's why

https://youtu.be/yiE2DLqJB8U

I know some, they aren't all rich, some of them actually work for a living believe it or not.

We don't really know exactly why, we know the Tory candidate says it was ULEZ so I'm inclined to believe it was something else tbh with you.

Starmer is a low fat Tory, he's got no intention of reversing any of their shady policies, much less chance of improving things with a move to PR for example. I wanted him to begin with because I thought he might offer a backbone on Brexit but he;s been shite on that as well. I've given him a chance to see what he is, and I don't like it, he's shite. I'll vote LD tbh, because I'm in a safe seat anyway and I just can't bring myself to do it.

The Crown owns the Crown estates. It was never tax payer funded

The state (aka us) owns the crown, the crown is not owned by the monarch.

As for tax free. Since the US revolution. The Crown has given the income to the government.

You mean our assets have paid money to the monarchy as part of a centuries old deal to pay for the last Charlie boys debts. Fuck that, I don't see we have to keep one family in a state of perpetual luxury because of that.

Simple research into the history of the Crown estates makes it clear it dosenot in any way shape or form belong to the tax payer.

No, simple research shows that it does in fact belong to us. I'd love to see your source mate.

Can Charlie sell any of it? Can he put it in his will? Can he even make renovations? No, well he doesn't own it does he.

I really couldn't give a shit, it's what they vote for or don't vote for that I care about.

If I must care about their backgrounds, okay then, how many went to a comprehensive school? Seems more important than which sexual organs they have.