Well done, whoever you are. Thoughtful and poignant.
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If only we knew who this masked hero is!
Integrity is a beautiful thing.
Much as it offends some who read us, we will continue to tell the truth about Trump.
To quote Ben Shapiro if I may... "Facts don't care about your feelings." Trump's a traitor who incited a violent insurrection and continuing to support him after what happened on 1/6 makes you one too.
Don't quote Ben Shapir, he's an ass who thinks he debates people very well because he can yell louder. He's not the type of person you'd want to quote
It's apt in this case, because old Benchy is a massive right wing hypocrite who cares infinitely more about feelings than facts. Using his stupid words against him and his ilk when they do the very thing they bitch about is ok in my book.
but it's funny to use his quote when the facts argue against Ben Shapiro's beliefs
Eh? A broken clock and all?
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Being British but having to talk american politics ive started looking to Wikipedia for somewhat non bias information, or more so I am able to easily follow the source which often leads to first hand testimonials, court documents and some such information.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
I find doing so gives me an advantage when combatting misinformation.
My uncle who seems to get all his insight from Ben Shapiro or as I say dry muff man, and Russell brand/Howard which ever is doing a pod cast theses days.
Anyway a lot of the right wing ideologs tend to side on conspiracy, hearsay. So be well informed and hopefully we can pull the working class away from these grifters.
Ben Shapiro is an idiot and not a model American. He says shocking things for ratings and then acts like he's a victim. He is no different than Howard Stern but on the opposite end of the spectrum.
is Howard Stern considered left???
He was back before Serious XM. People were flipping out for how progressive he was. How he is now? I don't know. I was picking a known entity that was a shock jock.
Honestly most of what I know of him is that he seems to to be extremely misogynistic. I guess during the Bush administration you could get away with that and still seem like a raging liberal.
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Couldn't agree more
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter. The people equating the two will loudly proclaim to be leftists while simultaneously saying that Trump wasn't actually trying to interrupt the certification of Joe Biden, and that Trump actually was trying to STOP the 'unruly protest'. No amount of arguing can get through to people who have no interests other than smug contrarianism.
It does matter. Minds have to be changed one at a time. A constant drip is better than nothing.
This was strangely reassuring 🥹
I have yet to meet a leftist who doesn't think Trump is a piece of shit fash nepo baby rapist whose death will be celebrated. And I'm terminally online.
Stick around on here for a while - unfortunately, they're a constant problem.
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I just met one. He doesn't think that Trump is a fascist. He thinks that Trump and Biden are the same. The thinks that we should bring the whole system of oppression down. He doesn't realise that in order to make change happen, we must make allies, that electing someone who wants to bring the democracy (even though it is flawed) is worse for his goals. He even repeats right wing propaganda.
They are few, but sometimes they can appear.
Learn to tell the difference between leftists and right wing trolls. Anyone can call themselves a leftist. There is no leadership in the leftist movements that have come within a thousand miles of equating Trump and Biden. Biden is an old school right wing corporate Democrat, not fascist Trumpian garbage.
Hence "loudly proclaim to be leftists". But many of them aren't trolls, at least not in the sense of not meaning what they're saying.
A real king doesn't need to say they are the king.
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Anyone who claims to be leftist and doesn't think trump committed insurrection is trolling you. Believing Biden is just as bad is another matter entirely.
You see this kind of comment intermittently from certain kinds of self-proclaimed leftists, where they parrot Trumpian claims about how he was actually trying to STOP the insurrection and is Totally Innocent and therefore it's Not A Big Deal if he wins again. Anything to feel better about helping him win against the filthy neolib Biden.
Believing Biden is just as bad is another matter entirely.
... is it? Because last I checked, there was a big difference between "Tried to overthrow a democratic process" and "Did not try to do so".
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Kind of related: On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder book also talks about WW1 and WW2 and a lot of that rings bells. He doesn't mention trump by name, and frankly it applies to what's happening in other Western countries as well.
Highly recommend it, the book is also quite short and to the point.
If you don't want a book, he is reading it on his channel: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhZxrogyToZsllfRqQllyuFNbT-ER7TAu
There are two sides of a fact. One side is the fact, the other side is the spin. Spinster work had to make the spin look like fact and bend the opinions of those who can't separate fact from fiction.
One side is based on evidence, while the other is based on conjecture and opinion.
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