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Hey everyone,
I [28F] need some advice on handling anxiety when job hunting.

Almost a week ago I finished school and I'm once again without work. I've been job hunting about 40-50% of my adult life and it has taken a huge toll on my mental health to the point where I'm barely able to apply for jobs anymore. I have gotten a few warnings over the years due to not applying to enough jobs. ( I live in Sweden btw )

I have tried taking breaks.
I have tried waiting for the anxiety to pass.
I have asked so many for advice but it's like they all give the same default answer. If their advice where enough, I would be a pro at job hunting.

I did get an autism diagnosis a few years back and I do feel better about myself, more confident and understanding of how I work so I think this time around will be different, but it's like the old anxiety still hangs around and I don't know how to get rid of it.

Please if you have any advice, I'd love to hear it.

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[–] PlanetOfOrd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm kind of in the same boat. In my 30's. I feel like I spent half of my adult life looking for work instead of actually working.

I kind of hit a breaking point when I realized I was playing someone else's (figurative) game; this person (figuratively) held all the cards and I lost each and every time.

So I stopped playing their game. I've found I'm very good at coming across as disarming. Once people meet me face-to-face (even over a video call or phone call) any preconceived notions they had go out the window and I have the opportunity to flip the power dynamic because I earn their trust quickly.

So recently I decided to build my own chess board (again, figuratively). I stopped applying for jobs. Instead, I focused on connecting with people first. So then I applied for work only as a housekeeping step once the employer/client and I are in agreement that I'll be on board for a certain position or role. Obviously in 99% of cases organizations don't like this. They want to funnel me into a system. Well, sucks for them. If they set aside their corporate ego and start a conversation I'd be able to help them.

I hope this perspective helps.

I'm a man, so I'm sure as a woman you're going to come against a lot of backlash as far as appearing too aggressive. I'd actually see this as a good thing since it means you're standing on your own and not taking s***t.

My advice, for what it's worth...pay attention to what's causing the anxiety. You have the power to change it, but (as a fellow neurodivergent) you might have to step on some toes to do so (correction--you will have to step on some toes). Keep steadying on!

[–] CoffeeTails@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow that sounds like a big realization.
Does "applied for work only as a housekeeping step" mean you applied to jobs because you're forced to? We have the same in Sweden, if I want any income at all I have to apply to at least 6 jobs every month.

I think my anxiety with this boils down to two things: How perfect and unique every application "has" to be and also the bureaucracy itself.

I really hate stepping on toes but I guess that's part of life, more or less.

I have also recently realized how important networking is. I'm putting much more energy into trying to connect to people around me, adding them on LinkedIn, and stuff like that. During school we had a discord server for our class and I'm thinking about letting the classes "below" us in as well, (we were first) so we can create a network with a base on the same education. I think I'll have to coordinate that with the school, I should send them a mail soon.

I also want to be a part of a kind of meetup thing were we host small events once or twice a month but I've never done something like that before and I don't even know where to begin πŸ˜…

[–] PlanetOfOrd@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those are typically the rules for unemployment/self-employment in the States. Since I haven't been "officially" employed for well over 5 years, this isn't the case for me. If work doesn't come in, it doesn't come in--I don't have the trappings that come with having a job.

For me I was talking about when each job has a "process." Step 1 is put in the job application. Not anymore (for me--if I had to fulfill a job app quota that would be another matter)! Step 1 would be initially contacting someone. Putting in the job app would just be for HR to make me official.

[–] CoffeeTails@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

oooh I see. Now I understand! Thanks!

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The way to alleviate anxiety is to willingly approach the thing that makes you anxious. Do it in small enough increments that you don’t overwhelm yourself.

As a person with autism (like me) you likely have lower than average working memory. You can expand your working memory by playing Follow That Frog on Lumosity for 60 minutes straight without taking a break.

People will say that Lumosity has no effect but the procedure I described is not the same one they used in the study that concluded Lumosity doesn’t work. Other studies which have used procedures similar to the one I described (60 mins, same game on repeat, no breaks) have shown efficacy.

Be warned that for two or three days after your working memory training session everything will be worse, not better. But once you recover, everything will be better.

[–] CoffeeTails@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the advice, I do have a lower working memory, but Limosity costs money and that is something I don't have right now.
I try to do a bit of job hunting with long breaks in between, taking small steps to make an application, sometimes it can take almost a week to send an application...

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here you go, this one's free: https://www.braingymmer.com/en/brain-games/n_back/play/

A word of warning: For me at least, 60 minutes of training makes my brain feel numb and my working memory is way worse for a couple of days. It feels a lot like being sleep deprived; it's frustrating how difficult it is to think. Then after a few days it's the opposite. Everything is easier. But there is that downtime to consider.

But I've found if I do a 20-minute session, I get a little boost in performance without any discernable downtime at all.

I highly recommend that at some point you do a 60-minute session, if only to feel the contrast in working memory before and after. But you have to be able to handle a couple days of feeling stupid and slow.

But if you've got a lot going on and no downtime, no days where you can afford to be lazy and slow and recover, the smaller sessions are probably better.

[–] CoffeeTails@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

wow, thanks! I am already constantly tired so I think I'll start slow
Edit: I did it for roughly 5min and my brain is already mushy

[–] UniDestroyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the U.S. staffing agencies exist for some industries that do most of the application process for you. Is that an option in Sweden for the industries that you are qualified for?

[–] CoffeeTails@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think we have staffing agencies, but I still need to do an application to them for each job and do interviews and so on.

[–] Kuma@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What has worked for me and may or may not help you (also lived in Sweden) is that I write down questions to ask and I go through them multiple times. I also write down questions I think they will ask and then answer them in a very thoughtful way so I can later deliver them in a shorter version but till get a across what I want. I also bring the notebook with me so I can read them at the interview or take notes. Taking notes are great if they have a multiple stages kind of interviews.

Also I put myself in the mind set of "this interview is for me and them to get to know each other and get a feeling if this is for me". That kinda removes a lot of the stress. I am there for me and my self and here to interview them as much as they are there to interview me. Also many first check the personality, my current job told me later that after the interview they ask everyone "would I like to hang out with this person". Many good bosses have said "personality can't or is hard to change and knowledge and experience is something you can easily obtain".

So you should also try to see if the workplace you try to be hired as is even a nice place for you to be at. I have so far liked small companies the best with 20 to 50 employees.

I have been on the other side of the table to (not in the room but helped my coworkers and asked them questions about the interview afterwards) and a lot of them are just as nervous or unprepared as the one seeking the job.

My dad told me that he thinks like this when he is holding a meeting for higher ups "they all shit in the same bathroom as me today". I don't know if that helps but it is kinda the same things as I what I tried to say above. Good luck! :D

[–] CoffeeTails@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God morgon 😊
I often get this feeling that if I don't get this job I'm gonna end up homeless and die. So it's practically life or death. Which is not true of course.
I've tried the notebook thing before, (it didn't go well as I didn't write fast enough) but maybe I should give it a go again! The only times I've asked the interviewer questions back have been to requesting companies and they seem to have very little knowledge about the company they work for.
Maybe a part of my job hunting is bad luck? That and just nervousness/anxiety.

That is so true but I have a really hard time relaxing at an interview, I think next time I might ask to have at least part of the interview in another setting than their office. I think the context might make me extra nervous. After my autism diagnosis, I've learned I'm probably very understimulated during interviews.
I'll try to keep this in mind, I'm in a new chapter of my life, and things will be different.

Smaller companies often seem to be more cozy than big ones, I agree.
I got a feeling that you might be a developer so I did check your other comments on Lemmy and saw that you're working fullstack. I just graduated as a frontend dev at a 'YH-utbildning'.

Thank you for your insights!