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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 15 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Greenpeace activists have climbed on the roof of Rishi Sunak’s North Yorkshire mansion and draped it in oily-black fabric to “drive home the dangerous consequences of a new drilling frenzy”.

The climbers managed to get on top of Sunak’s empty constituency home in Kirby Sigston, near Northallerton, on Thursday morning, after the prime minister flew to California on holiday.

After reaching the top of Kirby Sigston Manor using ladders and climbing ropes at around 6am, activists unfolded 200 sq metres of oil-black fabric to cover a whole side of the property.

Talking outside the house on Thursday, Greenpeace campaigner Philip Evans said the activists had made sure the prime minister’s family were not going to be at home before carrying out the protest, which is a response to Sunak saying he would “max out” oil and gas in the North Sea.

Greenpeace said the protest aimed to stop Sunak from approving Rosebank, the biggest undeveloped oil and gas field in the North Sea, the operations of which would be enough to exceed the UK’s carbon budgets.


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[–] PaulDevonUK@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Should have been shit coloured. He's been shitting on the people for way too long.

Lifelong conservative but about to vote Labour for the first time due to him and bojo.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lifelong conservative

That's not something to brag about

[–] PaulDevonUK@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Good on you for being able to change your mind.

I personally will die before I place a tick next to a box that says' conservative'.

[–] pizzaiolo@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago
[–] SattaRIP@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Fire colour would've been better.

[–] MDKAOD@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I applaud the message but this is such a photo OP stunt. Fully geared up with hard hats and greenpeace hivis gear, carrying extendable ladders thst collapse to briefcase size fully extended...

In my mind, photos like this are super sus and feels like this was coordinated and approved to keep up appearances.

[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's obvious. Making History: How Greenpeace Visuals Win Campaigns | greenpeace.org They try to get media coverage because they think climate change needs more attention. What else could you possibly think? That they spontaneously made that fabric on site? Not coordinated??? I don't get it.

[–] MDKAOD@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Look, that's presumably a high security home. They just walked on in set up ladders and climbing gear. Took a bunch of photos along the way, drooped what in-my-opinion is nondestructive black fabric over the house, took more photos and ~~left~~ waited around until they got arrested.

The article keeps emphasizing "oil black fabric" but oil is wet, and that fabric looks dry. Are there aftermath photos?

I'm suggesting this was coordinates by greenpeace and the person they "attacked"

[–] GreyShack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So, you're suggesting that this was co-ordinated by Greenpeace and ...the Prime Minister? To keep up whose appearances exactly?

What would both parties stand to gain from this?

What would be the consequences for both when the co-ordination was leaked/revealed?

[–] MDKAOD@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Greenpeace is a marketing company. They product they're pushing is green technologies. Broadly speaking, and obviously without direct knowledge, its possible to buy access to a property for a photo or movie shoot to achieve whatever message they're pushing. Everything is for sale for the right number. It's not unfathomable that greenpeace bought a permit and/or permission for this stunt, even if using legal loopholes suggesting they were just shooting a film.

So greenpeace gets their marketing piece, and PM estate gets paid.

Just saying it's not an implausible scenario. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–] GreyShack@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You haven't addressed the critical point:

What would be the consequences for both when the co-ordination was leaked/revealed?

Both would stand to lose vastly more in credibility than ever they might gain.

Whilst that might not matter to Sunak - a lost cause politically anyway, and clearly someone who values money highly - Greenpeace thrives on commitment to the cause.

It certainly seems to me a highly implausible scenario.

[–] MDKAOD@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. Certainly there's an element of risk, but I imagine that both parties operate under pseudonyms for exactly that reason.

A point of order here, while you're welcome to criticize my opinion, you also haven't addressed my reasons for doubt.

[–] GreyShack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

you also haven’t addressed my reasons for doubt.

A) When did you ask me to?

B) By pointing out the cost/benefit to both sides, I would have said that I did anyway.

However, if you would like me to go into more detail: this is a property that was not occupied by the PM or his family - Greenpeace have stated that they were aware of this. The 'high security' was evidently provided by the police - who would also have been aware of this. Even at the best of times, given a little advance planning, avoiding a routine police cordon - routine being the key word - is not exactly difficult.

I struggle to see why Greenpeace would take the route that you are suggesting (a literal conspiracy theory) and decide to take the risk of losing credibility instead of doing as they have frequently, attestably, through court records, done and evade the existing security.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

The consequences of a leak are zero. Greenpeace exists for rich folks who hang out in the same circles as Sunak to bilk the same folks that the rich folks that are in parliment bilk with campaign donations or equivalent in the UK.

"True believers" don't join green peace unless they are marks.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Looks like plastic based fabric too. Not very eco friendly if you ask me.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with this take. Imagine if Greenpeace did this to the US Whitehouse. There is no way it would work unless they coordinated with the President/Secret Service etc. But if I saw a picture of that and it was presented in a way that it was a guerrilla attack, then it's obviously bullshit. And if you are greenpeace and coordinating with the targets of your attack then what are you actually doing?

Also greenpeace is still anti-nuclear, so they should be dismissed with prejudice anyway. It's basically a club of rich fucks profiting off of climate destruction so that they can boat around the world on their boats and pretend they are activists.

[–] MDKAOD@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

My thoughts are to consider greenpeace a media production company. Coordinate a b-roll shoot under a pseudonym to access the property, stage your shots and leave. There's no footage of the activists getting arrested on the story this post links to, and the fabric clearly isn't oil drenched, it's just "oil-black" (I. E. The name of the color, not the state of the fabric)

Greenpeace gets their marketing materials and the estate gets some cash.

[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if you're already gonna commit vandalism go 100 or go home

Break the windows and spray liquid ass everywhere. Make him clean or buy a new home with all of that dino sauce money

[–] tegs_terry 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Smear Surstromming around everywhere

[–] MaxVerstappen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's a mansion?!

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

That'll show those evil oil execs!