There goes the UN trying to interfere in Russia's genocide of innocent people again. No wonder conservatives and fascists hate the UN so much.
this post was submitted on 19 Jun 2023
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Everyone not hating UN is a very optimistic idiot in my eyes, no offense, but it just doesn't work.
You think the UN "doesn't work" because you have absolutely no idea what it's supposed to do.
Its supposed to be a diplomatic forum but that is absolutely useless when you have a "security council" where each member can block everything. Furthermore letting countrys like Saudi Arabia take head of human rights council. Or all if the other shows of it being almost completely useless.
The UN isn't just the security council or the General Assembly, they do so much more. Eg. ICAO is extremely relevant, just to name one organization. Again: you think the UN doesn't work because you don't know what they do. Parts of it don't work, lots do, same as any other huge transnational organization.
It was created to let governments talk to each other before resorting to nuclear war - a security council veto is a form of speech. Its been keeping that line of communication open, so its been working as intended. Anything else the organization might accomplish is just a bonus.
What is the realistic alternative?
Just getting shit done. UN is a joke Because its not meant to work. Its not even a diplomatic forum anymore...
Just getting shit done
Ah damn, so easy, why didn't I think of that.
can they just stop being assholes for 5 minutes?
I think for them to stop being assholes they'd need to feel the tiniest bit of empathy first and if the last year of relentless cruelty has shown us anything the Russian government has no empathy whatsoever.
::looks at Russian history:: Nope, not going to happen.
The problem isn't the Russian government; this brutality and callousness has been going on for hundreds of years. The problem is Russian culture that keeps producing these governments
Maybe the Russian culture produced many such governments, but the current Russian government is still to blame for the current atrocities. I wouldn't blame the culture for those, since the culture has also produce people who were against that war, but were powerless against the dictatorship.
Saying "it's the government!" when it's a successive string of governments stretching back into times before there was a Russian empire is a bit of a cop out. Yes, the culture has produced many Russians who are against the war and having an authoritarian government, but that doesn't mean the wider cultural framework is in any way healthy or "good". A culture that produces constant imperialist wars should be criticized (and before someone chimes in with "but what about the USA!??!¿", I'm against their imperialist wars and large parts of their culture as well)
They’ve passed the war crime event horizon. In their view, why bother caring about it anymore?
I wonder what it would take for UN peacekeepers to get involved. How bad does the situation need to get?
UN peacekeepers famously did not get involved when the Serbs massacred Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica in their own "safe zones". I don't know if there are counter examples since then that demonstrate peacekeepers actually keeping peace, but that was the worst situation imaginable, and they still didn't get involved and just let it happen.
You should familiarise yourself with the Rwandan Genocide for a good example of how useless they can be… I shudder just thinking about it…
Makes sense, it would be a major risk to accidentally shoot a UN representative, while you are shooting on people in need of aid. /s
Cartoonishly evil.
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