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Desjardins Group announced as of Feb. 1 it would no longer offer new mortgages for properties in “0-20 year” flood zones — where there is a five per cent chance of flooding in any given year — because of what it called the rising effect of climate change.

There are some exceptions: buyers can get financing for up to 65 per cent a home’s selling price if the previous owner had a Desjardins mortgage and the property has protective measures to prevent flooding. But the company’s decision has left mayors of low-lying towns worried that homeowners will be left with properties that no one will buy or that are massively devalued.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This isn't the first place this is happening; there is a reason why the State of Florida is becoming one of the largest home insurer in Florida.

[–] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's because a city can go bankrupt, but a state cannot.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We don't know if a state can or cannot.

[–] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

Contracts Clause of the Constitution has been interpreted to mean that they cannot. Of course, since SCOTUS have made clear recently that the only thing that matters is what the majority of the sitting bench agree with, they coule overturn their 1977 finding supporting that view... But as of right now, states cannot default on their obligations to creditors, because they cannot do anything "impairing the obligation of contracts."

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They shouldn't be allowed to build in flood zones to start with. If they insist on building there, then they need to build the infrastructure to handle the water and bring that area out of the flood zone.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

Yeah, the houses will not be "undervalued"

Houses on a floodplain were massively overvalued before, because no one ever thought about the risk. This is just putting them to their actual real value.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] huf@hexbear.net 1 points 8 months ago

it was an incredibly bright idea to parcel out all that floodzone for towns... well done people. very well done.

there is absolutely no reason why people historically liked to build on high ground in flood zones. none at all. they were just ignorant.