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And do believe that I, this random guy on the internet has a soul

I personally don't believe that I anyone else has a soul. From my standup I don't se any reason to believe that our consciousness and our so called "soul" would be any more then something our brain is making up.

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[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's a very broad question that can mean different things to different people. Answering it and understanding each other is hard due to the semantic complexity. It also contains an emotional dimension that cannot be described analytically.

Here's my take: Yes I do believe that everyone has a soul and it comes in two intertwined flavors; the nonlocal and the local soul.

The local soul is local in space and time. It's what makes you unique. For example your beliefs, thoughts, actions and so on.

The nonlocal soul isn't localized in space or time, but rather exists on a fundament level just like say quantum fields seem to do.

Within all of us exists a dynamic between the two, from rejection to enlightenment. One isn't better than the other, it is simply a duality that exists and that is meaningful to all of us in some way.

I also believe that time and space are an illusion. Our perception is supervenient on entropy. For example when someone dies they seem to be gone, but they are actually still alive in the past. And so this unifies the local with the non local.

Looking forward to replies.

[–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you believe that we all share one nonlocal soul? Also the terms local and nonlocal doesn't really make sense if you don't believe in space and time, but it doesn't really matter (:

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No and no. Physics is pretty thoroughly buckled down at this point, leaving only some very extreme situations unaccounted for, and it doesn't really provide a way for us to not be made of meat.

That goes for any other form of mind-body duality and as a result any afterlife, as well.

[–] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago

There's zero evidence for a soul

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

If you were literally the only person in the history of all people, to have a soul... would it suck? And if all that happens to a soul is that it fades away after death, like a ghost, would that make having a soul better, or worse?

[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I think so, but, to be fair, it simply isn't a question that science could ever actually answer.

[–] xor@infosec.pub 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

no it did answer it, the answer is "no".

the easiest one is brain damage or drugs altering your consciousness...
if your mind can be permanently damaged or significantly altered via brain changes, then it's in your brain.

but there's a lot of other reasons the "soul" myth doesn't make sense.

[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

It hasn't answered it because it simply isn't within the scope of science to be able to answer it. As has been pointed out elsewhere, you can't point to any peer reviewed papers listing the evidence against a soul.

At best you can play the "no evidence" card, which underlines my point that science cannot prove/disprove it because it's out of scope.

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[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago

It seems like life is a vehicle for allowing matter, and by extension the universe, to comprehend itself in some limited fashion on an individual scale. I believe that this comprehension is an unfolding process of increasing universal awareness generated by an ever increasing number of points of view through every living entity.

It seems to me that most actions are heavily governed by pre-determined mechanical processes that are geared towards survival and reproduction, but there are also actions that can be chosen that are not exclusively determined by biology or circumstance. I refer to that impulse as Will.

I think the function of Will is essentially a course correcting ability of the universe that is bound in an infinitely interlocking series of experiences, giving the emerging consciousness of the universe the ability to “steer” its destiny a little bit, on both the individual and eventually macro level. I think that various mindfulness, meditation, health, and aspirational techniques can gently raise your awareness of this process within yourself and in the exterior world, which makes it all seem a bit less random—essentially attaining an enlightened perspective on life.

In the sense that I am a part of this universal process that is bound together in infinite complexity, and that I have the opportunity on occasion to effect events in such a way that essentially “leave my mark” on spacetime, I would say that I believe I am connected to a universal soul along with all forms of life.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

There is no such animal.

[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Based on your post and use of language I don’t because you’re probably a bot.

Provide for me the reclamation and the that gen that propore:: Thanks then you’ll need to know snaking g guy the thought about it though and maybe we can do Kant ideas though. A soul though, who can really know.

What do you think about that? Do we have ?

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

My understanding is that there's our physical bodies and there is the lightning of spirit that is our divine selves and when the two are combined together we become a soul.

I don't envision the soul as something that is separate from the body. Just each of us are one.

Like if you were turned into a computer program and run on a universe computer, your soul would be whatever happens to actually be actively being computed by the CPU and existing in ram at the moment.

The hard data saved on the hard drive would be your body and the electricity coursing through the CPU would be your spirit but only what is actually happening when the two combine is a soul.

[–] Fudoshin 1 points 8 months ago

I don't even believe in a self (Anatta)

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yes, I believe humans and animals have a soul. Certainly believe so after reading books by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Everyone believes that they have a soul, the contention is the nature of the soul. You have an intangible essence which inhabits your body, and you identify with your "self". Some people think it's some kind of immortal ghost that gets to live in the clouds with other immortal ghosts when the body dies, some people think it's an emergent phenomenon of some variety which disappears when the body dies. These are differences in explanation, secondary to the ontological question of existence.

The "I" in your statements is proof of your soul, any disagreement is really just pedantic quibbling over terminology because you believe the term has been tainted by explanations you don't agree with. Even if your brain is "making it up", it's still a phenomenon. Your subjective internal experience is made of "soul", your concept of self is made of "soul". The entity asking the question and reading the responses is your soul, simple as.

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

That's a weak argument. Using this, anything you can refer to has a soul, which is just the idea of that thing in your mind.

The idea of Ohio is intangible, but does Ohio have a soul? How about Clippy? Betelgeuse? Every self call ever made? That person who appeared in your dream once?

You've quibbled yourself out of meaning anything. The existence of intangible identities is related to what people would call a soul, but you've reduced the definition to be unreasonably broad. Your idea of soul is meaningless and isn't what the OP is talking about.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Ah, but don't you feel it? You have played this act before, and you will do it again. Like living fractals we rise again and again. Or perhaps we fall over and over.

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I like to see it as what we call a soul is simply the hashcode of our being. They're technically not unique, but as you're the only you they are. It's not some guiding spirit to your conciousness, it's who you are. The choices you make, the experiences you've had, the things you've thought and the conclusions you've reached, the sum of your being, encoded.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

A soul isn't a metaphysical thing, it's one's ability to influence the world. Some can have multiple, some can have none, plants and animals have them, and some objects even too. They can be created but they can never be destroyed. They lack a conscious but have a will. Having one makes you not special, you have to use it. The more you use it, the more control you gain, but the more it gains over you.

[–] Jessvj93@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There was a woman who said during an alien abduction that she saw a glowing light taken out of the top of a dying man and put into a younger clone of himself. Where afterwards the old body died. So talking about this as if what she said did indeed happen:

If it's possible to transfer consciousnesses between bodies, the collection of electric energy in our body is our soul I guess, and the rest of us comes from the unique layout of our cells/nervous system which this electric energy runs along.

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[–] Ludrol@szmer.info -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, when I meditate I can percive the soul of myself with my consciousness. This cannot be explained or thought, it can only be experienced. And as I am a typical human, I extrapolate that every human has a soul.

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