I feel like the real headline is "One third of Americans think frozen embryos are people for some reason."
this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2024
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And that one third is showing up to vote while the 2 thirds are not sure because biden is too old and then go surprised Pikachu when the crazy ones run the country
This is why the GOP has two mantras.
"We are absolutely better than the Dems! We are smarter, braver, and love the country more!'
AND
'Both sides are the same!'
A zygote isn't "alive" either. No sustainable or complex nervous system is in place until approximately six months of gestation.
This is religious bullshit. Pure and simple.
And while we're at it, neither should corporations.
Everything is people now!
Another logical inconsistency I'd love a reporter to actually press a politician on. Republicans believe "life begins as conception" and have signed onto fetal personhood amendments. Fine. But if you believe that life begins at conception, when sperm meets egg, then you must believe that you sky daddy creates a new life at that exact moment.
The logical conclusion of this position is exactly what the Alabama supreme court decided. If you believe that life begins (i.e., god created a new sacred human life) the moment that little spermy wiggles into the egg, then what does it matter where that happens, in utero or in a petri dish? The cells still divide and grow the same way in either case. So, if that's your belief, and you force that belief on everyone through laws, then of course it's "murder" to destroy an embryo.
What's fucked is Republicans realize the practical effect of carrying that logic through is an effective ban on all IVF, or at best a major reatriction on how it's done (one fertilization at a time, instead of fertilizing a bunch and implanting the most viable candidates), and that's unpopular as shit. So now their trying to back track with dumbass stances like it doesn't count if it's not in the womb. BULLSHIT. Don't let them off with that shit. It's either the sperm goes in and the magical old man gives it a kiss and now it's a baby, or not, it doesn't matter where it happens. If Republicans try to wiggle around that, journalists need to press them and get them to specifically answer when exactly is it that the fairy dust turns these cells into a person, and why doesn't the fairy dust work outside the womb, and does the fairy dust start working the moment it goes into the womb, or what?! Republicans want to impose their dumb shit religious beliefs on all of us, they should at least be able to (and should be forced to) explain them in detail.
Back before 09/11/2001 the President George Bush Jr. announced that he'd allow limited stem cell research. The GOP were happy with fetal stem cells being used when Nancy Reagan started pushing for it, and she decided it was okay after the doctors told her it might help Ronnie's dementia.
Funny how G*d's word has so many loop holes when it benefits one of the chose few.
I still want journalists to get definitive answers on things like, 'Who gets custody?' 'How much child support is necessary for an embryo?' 'If life begins at conception, does this mean an embryo frozen for 21 years that is implanted and born can drink alcohol from a baby bottle since they're technically 'of age'?'
There are so many STUPID repercussions from this ruling, and there's no logical explanation for it all. It's the beginning of the end of the separation of church and state.
It's absolutely mind boggling that one-third apparently do think a frozen embryo is a person.
A third of the population think that there's no difference between them and a frozen single cell
And in a 18 months that number will be 60%, then 55%, then 51%, etc...
This is how ultracon BS spreads. Like mold.
That is not enough thirds.
The crazy thing is nothing is preventing the 1/3 of people who think embryos are children from treating their frozen embryos as children.
I’m all for it as long as the federal tax credit for fourteen children outweighs the storage costs. It’ll be nice to still claim that one when I’m in my nineties. /s in case it wasn’t clear.
Its only 6-10 cells in a clump that are frozen. It doesnt move feel or think. Embryo's are potential humans but also non-entities
If you want to define frozen embryos as people, then I should be able to claim them as dependents on my tax returns after setting up the necessary cryonics.
After all, aren't they... dependent on me maintaining said cryonics to keep them alive in stasis?
Too bad US is a republic, not a democracy. The founding fathers never intended it. Right guys? /s
Debates I can't believe we're having in 2024...
Almost a head-popper the day we debated about abortion rights...
I swear to god, theological debates about how many angels dance on a pinhead make more sense. Quickening as being more than a clump of cells made more sense and those motherfuckers came up with that nonsense when they didn't even have a microscope.
So if embryos are considered people then: Would inseminate be act of assault? Would be inserted into a female without embryo consent be sexual assault?