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KOSA is a bill that aims to protect children online but it would do so in harmful ways. First, it would pressure platforms to install content filters that would censor large amounts of content, including important suicide prevention and LGBTQ+ support resources. Content filters have a history of overblocking important information. Second, KOSA would ramp up online surveillance of all users by expanding age verification and parental monitoring tools. These tools are unnecessarily invasive and pose risks to young people trying to escape abuse. Over 90 rights groups agree that KOSA is dangerous and cannot be fixed through amendments. If you value a free and open internet, contact your lawmakers to reject KOSA.

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[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 99 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"Protect the children" is the new "fight terror". Big empty phrases that only end up taking away rights and targeting minorities.

[–] Erk@cdda.social 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

True, but not new. It's been this since before "fight terror" in fact.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's coined as the "Helen Lovejoy Syndrome" after a Simpson's episode from the nineties.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

Won't somebody please think of the children?

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.ninja 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"The war on drugs" has entered the chat

[–] Erk@cdda.social 2 points 1 year ago

Won't someone please think of the children?!

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[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, true. I guess its more of a shitty comeback, worse than before.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Always has been.

Mighty convenient how so many of these "protect the children" groups end up with kiddie diddlers on staff.

https://news.yahoo.com/alabama-anti-abortion-advocate-charged-190424945.html

[–] prole@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Possibly even worse since it's very often used as a cover for CSA. Not just minorities in this case that are being harmed, we're talking about literal children. It's fucking horrific.

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[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

"Fight terror" has only really be an excuse since 9/11. Before they had others including protecting children. Only the anti-trans stuff is newish.

[–] swnt@feddit.de 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

protect children online

I've yet to see any single new law proposal, that actually tackles this problem rather than misusing it's emotional trigger to get acceptance for surveillance and control

[–] prole@beehaw.org 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Meanwhile... child labor protections? Who needs em? Protections against child marriage (or let's call it what it is, rape)? They'll be fine. God wills it, after all, and it's in the Bible (or so they're told, very few of them actually read it).

Meanwhile, actual abuse is happening constantly in the Catholic (and others) church, and what do they do? Just shuffle 'em around a little bit. They "repented", so that means we can leave him alone with kids in Montana now instead of New Mexico. Problem solved! Thank the lord!

These fuckers have zero interest in actually protecting children, and for a good chunk of them, they're actively working toward the exact opposite.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why is there always an authoritarian law being proposed every month?

[–] Axolotling@beehaw.org 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because we've hit the point of capitalism where the system is imploding on itself, and so those in power turn to fascism in order to protect their capital.

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

Rights for everyone when there's a boom, cracking down on rights when the cake stops growing.

[–] prole@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

we've hit the point of capitalism where...

Oh, you mean its literal inception? This shit never worked.

[–] Fylkir@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's kinda historically illiterate. The reason people tolerated Capitalism in the first place was that it smashed old forms of oppression and replaced them with less bad forms of oppression.

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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does this have to do with capitalism?

[–] Axolotling@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When people are starting to starve and there are no more monkeys that can entertain the masses, the spirit of rebellion starts to rise from the ashes.

So the established powers that be have two options: violently suppress the masses. Or acquiesce some level of control, power, or ultimately capital.

The powers that be would rather die than give up their money. So fascism it is!

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[–] aeternum@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because someone has to care about the children.Don't you care about the children? The chidlren. CHILDREN!

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[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because some folks really seem to like power? And emotion is a solid button to press because a lot of folks are irrational monkeys.

Edit: most - > a lot of

[–] curiousgoo@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like the phrase "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".

KOSA is not the only thing one should be worried about, illiterates from UK are bringing in an Online Safety Bill which needs all services with encryption to provide a backdoor for the UK government under the reasoning of "monitoring for CSAM content".

This doesn't just impact UK citizens, but will do for the world.

If I recall correctly, Australia did something similar.

Interesting to see how the 5-eyes try to push similar dumb ideas together.

[–] aeternum@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Australia did something recently, yes. It's called the AA Bill. And it allows for the government to demand a worker put a backdoor in to an encryption product. The absolutely stupid thing is that if the government does this, the worker can't tell a soul about it for fear of prison. If (when) it comes up in code review, they're still not allowed to tell anyone. If they do, it's straight off to prison. Where does it stop. I was hopeful that tech companies would abandon australia when this happened, but they didn't. They just rolled over and took it up the arse pipe. Fucking hell. This is a good write up

That's not even mentioning what google is trying to do currently.

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[–] sour@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

‘murica gets worse

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These bills are going to keep coming. The goal is erosion of rights and privacy at all costs.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

My entire life, they have never, ever once stopped trying to push the same bullshit through, over and over and over.

[–] prole@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's so goddamn exhausting. A constant battle of attrition.

I'm just tired.... When do I get to just enjoy my life?

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

When the populace collectively grows a brain and replaces these clowns with someone honest. People voted for these legislators, keep in mind.

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[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People need to take more responsibility for their kids - if you let them online, you'd better fucking understand what that entails and if not (gasp!) don't let them on the internet.

And if that's impossible for someone then why the fuck did they reproduce in the first place?

[–] bownage@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Because reproduction is a lot easier than education

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because their god told them to reproduce and not question it.

Religion is a hell of a drug.

[–] zerkrazus@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Same thing with banning books. This is fascist bullshit and it's not about protecting children or anyone else. It's about pushing their false Christianity, their christofascism on everyone whether they like it or not and trying to turn the country into a fascist "Christian" theocractic dictatorship where they can say and do whatever they want whenever they want about anything or anyone but no one else can.

[–] prole@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I was with you til the "false" part. As someone who grew up in a sect that actually read the book, ain't nothing false about this Christianity or these Christians.

It's inconvenient to admit, but the bible is an awful awful book.

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[–] torafugu@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Since it is "for the children", I'm sure they won't give a shit about censorship.

Prepare your VPNs. This will be one hell of a ride.

[–] bigb5wm@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

teach your kids about privacy online, later to use tor and I2p

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Using Tor is considered terrorist activity in France

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/336989

Why couldn't the US just do the same?

Internet freedom and privacy needs not only needs protection by technological tools like Tor or VPNs, but also needs legal protection. Would anyone use Tor if the government starts raiding houses? Tor users are such a small minority that the government can easily throw you all in prison.

[–] Evergreen5970@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’ve known about Tor since like middle school but have been scared downloading it will get me on some watchlist. Or at the very least, tracked harder whenever I’m not on a Tor browser for whatever reason.

I live in the United States of America. Tor was developed by my own country’s naval research laboratory.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've heard that most Tor nodes are controlled by the US government and the whole system is basically a honey pot, so why would they worry?

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[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

Darth Vader wants to protect children... Right.

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