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I've been just not updating Nova as I haven't had a ton of time to research this, I really like the GUI, what are my privacy friendly/FOSS options for an android s21 5G?

Update: Went with Neo launcher. It's got enough of the features that I'm willing to use it.

There are a few spots where padding can't be removed that is obnoxious, FF search bar and dock are what I have noticed so far.

I also don't like that I can't continuosly scroll through my home screens.

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[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 28 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Neo launcher is close

Kvaesitso is a great launcher

[–] rescue_toaster@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Kvaesitso is fantastic. Can get it on fdroid.

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't use reproducible builds. using the github release directly is more secure. Just add https://github.com/mm2-0/kvaesitso to obtainium

[–] N4CHEM@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why is using the GitHub release more secure than using the F-Droid build?

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
[–] N4CHEM@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Thanks, I know about reproducible builds, but I still don't see how the GitHub release is more secure than the F-Droid build. In both cases you need to trust whoever built the apk.

It is known that F-Droid uses the published source code, reviews it for anti-features, and they build hundreds of apps used by thousands of people. If they did any tampering or had a security hole we would learn about it pretty fast (we just need one user of one of their built apps to report).

On the other hand using a GitHub release we need to trust the developer of the app: trust that the source code has no malicious code in it (or review the code ourselves, does anybody do that?), there's no third party reviewing it, and trust that the apk they release uses exactly the published code. The user base of an individual app's GitHub release is way smaller than that of all apps built by F-Droid, so by chance it would take way longer for users to detect any security problem.

So, as I see it, it boils down to either trusting a big community with a long story of building and providing FOSS apps, a good reputation, and offering reproducible builds on all apps that managed to achieve them; or trusting dozens of different developers, most of whom we know nothing of.

[–] paradox2011@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I appreciate this comment. I agree with both sides of the argument to an extent, but feel that there is some unbalanced thinking with this rejection of Fdroid that's been happening. Its a hugely important service.

[–] N4CHEM@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

Yes, I feel like F-Droid has been getting some shit lately for no reason. I think it's good that Obtainium exists and that we have more options of easily getting apps outside the Play Store, and even better: FOSS apps.

However, I see a trend towards "F-Droid is bad and Obtainium has arrived to save us from it" and get the feeling that many times people don't even understand how both things work. Obtainium is basically doing what some people were doing for long time using RSS, it's not a revolution. When I tried it, it failed to properly detect the latest versions and updates of several apps, so I was personally not impressed.

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[–] MaddestMax@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

To add to this, “Kvaesitso is available in the official F-Droid repository, but all features depending on non-foss external APIs were removed.” This is preferable to a lot of people.

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[–] 6daemonbag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Seconding Kvaesito. Like many launchers, there's some getting used to but I'm loving it.

[–] registrert@lemmy.sambands.net 3 points 9 months ago

I'm not a fan of all the permissions it needs, I know they're reasonably used for features but it basically requests all the permissions.

I'd love to see it being based on modules, install more functions as apps. Much easier to tweak permissions.

[–] therebedragons@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Neo needs an update. Still working but giving me more issues on Android 14.

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

No major bugs on my pixel 6

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[–] mozzribo@leminal.space 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What is going on with Nova?

[–] generic@iusearchlinux.fyi 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)
[–] talentedkiwi@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

Oof, purchased by an analytics company probably means they only want it for your/my information.

[–] registrert@lemmy.sambands.net 2 points 9 months ago

it now it’s under new management. Branch, a company that provides analytical data and metrics among other things, has acquired Nova Launcher.

Haha they don't even have to try because normies doesn't even care.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I swapped from Nova Launcher to KISS. It is a different idea for a launcher but I have started to like it a lot.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Same. I felt I couldn't live without Nova, now I feel like I can't live without KISS. I really like the "swipe and type" flow to open an app and touching an empty area to open the recent entries. All that depends on your settings ofc. It's not the prettiest, but it's by far the fastest launcher I've had.

[–] crashoverride@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I have been liking Niagara!

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Fossify forked all the Simple Mobile Tools apps and are working on open source, free and ad-free apps with that as the foundation. They have published a few already, Launcher is in the pipeline: https://github.com/FossifyOrg/Launcher

[–] KuudereEnthusiast@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

There is lawnchair launcher

But it's been abandoned for a long time now

It was a damn fine launcher

It's still usable, might be worth giving a try

[–] FutileRecipe@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Lawnchair, according to the devs, is not abandoned. In late November (of 2023), they said:

Sorry for the long break in Lawnchair announcements.

We have made significant progress in regards to Lawnchair development, and we are now actually developing Lawnchair 13 (with A13 QuickSwitch support) and custom-made no-root global search. Stay tuned for more updates and sneak peeks.

Coming soon to a lawnmower near you™

(And no, we are not dead. Also No ETAs.)

Then in December:

Hello again!

This time around, we are now developing Lawnchair 14 (with A14 QuickSwitch support). Alongside that, we are also re-adding an option to Hide Dock and options for custom Feed Providers, alongside other new features (we wont give too many spoilers 👀)

We also plan to support QuickSwitch for Android 11 to Android 14, so you can use Lawnchair with QuickSwitch on all your recent devices. (We will prioritize A12.1 to A14 first though).

(As always, No ETAs)

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

lawnchair is still being developed but no builds are being pushed. I'm using someone's fork they made specifically to build their own releases: (use at your own discretion) https://github.com/Goooler/LawnchairRelease/

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

I'm still using lawnchair but internet cut off as it's just a launcher so why would it even need internet?

[–] Hubi@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

I have used Lawnchair for years and I'll never switch as long as it's usable. It's the best one around IMO, very functional and pretty.

[–] kittykittycatboys@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

the neo guys have a (afaik) maintained fork called neo launcher !! im using it and its working well, and not too much different from lawnchair :3

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

neo launcher is cool but it's missing a couple home settings I liked with lawnchair Dx

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[–] Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I haven't found one that I like as much. My biggest hangup, and this is probably dumb, is the ability to edit the icons for PWAs so they don't show the stupid browser icon that screams "I'm a web shortcut!!!". I tried Hermit as a PWA/lite app replacement and Android just slaps the hermit badge on it instead. For whatever reason that annoys me enough to stick with Nova.

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[–] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] talentedkiwi@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lawnchair hasn't had a release since 2018. I find it to be a bit buggy and sometimes won't redraw the home screens. This makes me need to force close the launcher from the settings. I usually clear the cache too, just to be safe.

Just tempering expectations for anyone else looking at it. If anyone knows of a fork that is more recent let me know. Maybe someone else is maintaining somewhere.

[–] bec@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

They actually kept developing it, with the last release in August 2022, and, even though those releases were tagged as Alpha, I've only had some (not more than a couple times a year) freezes with crash of the launcher since. Tested on two different phones with two different ROMs

I don't know if there's still someone developing it, but until something else just as good (for me) pops up, I'm sticking to Lawnchair

https://github.com/LawnchairLauncher/lawnchair/releases

[–] passepartout@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

They are develeoping it, but it's slow because there are not as many people contributing as they would need to i think.

Anyways, if you want a more recent version, they are preparing an App store launch. One of the developers publishes more recent builds on his fork, see this comment.

https://github.com/Goooler/LawnchairRelease/releases

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[–] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Ruthless Launcher is pretty nice. Unfortunately it's not open source, but Exodus doesn't show any trackers and if you use GrapheneOS you can simply revoke Network permissions

[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 4 points 9 months ago

I used trebuchet for my launcher, it's a lineageos app but iirc there's a downloader for it. It's not super customizable but I like it

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I never found one I liked as much tbh

[–] jherazob@beehaw.org 4 points 9 months ago

Once Nova got bought i tried Neo Launcher and it has been more than close enough for me, a year and a half later and i'm still using it

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago

I really enjoy one called Discrete Launcher from fdroid. It's meant to be pretty minimalistic and does not support widgets from what I can tell, but you swipe up from the bottom with one finger for AppDrower and swipe down with one finger for a favorite spar at the top. But neither are shown normally, just your wallpaper. You can also program swipe left to open an app swipe right to open an app and several other gesture actions to open things or do things

[–] dukethorion@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I spent a few hours trying any alternatives I could find on FDroid, even Aurora and just blocking network access.

Lawnchair has a giant empty space on the dock when you hide the search bar, wasting screen space.

Ended up back on Nova.

We need more options. We don't need any more "minimalist" text launchers though.

[–] xarexyouxmadx@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah I've been looking for an alternative to Nova myself. I've tried many but I just keep coming back for one reason or another. .I have graphene os but the default launcher is a little too plain for me. The search continues I guess. I'll check some listed here that I haven't tried. Maybe lawnchair will be worth it when they put out a new release.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

It's not popular at all, but I love LukeLauncher on fdroid.

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