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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 226 points 8 months ago (3 children)

He'll back out. Above all things he's a coward.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 150 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Accompanied by whining “they wouldn’t let me”

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because his remarks will be "leaked" and it will be full of horrendous and inflammatory shit and probably not even be legal (I'm pretty sure there's limits on what can be said in closing statements.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (9 children)

from nolo:

In practice, judges give attorneys great freedom at closing, as long as the argument has some relation to the evidence presented at trial. Additionally, judges must carefully craft any restrictions on closing so that they don't deny the defendant the opportunity to discuss important considerations for the jury.

Nonetheless, there are limits to proper closing argument. When attorneys overstep them, usually a judge will simply tell the jury to disregard the improper argument. But when attorneys commit serious misconduct during closing, a judge might declare a mistrial, and if not, a court of appeal might overturn any conviction.

Arguments must be based on evidence. Most importantly, the conclusions that an attorney urges a jury to draw must be based on the evidence. Counsel cannot use the closing argument as an opportunity to refer to evidence that wasn't part of the trial. For example, an attorney can't argue that no similar crimes have been committed in the location in question since the defendant's arrest without having presented evidence to that effect.

Arguments cannot be irrelevant, confusing, or prejudicial. Judges can also prohibit or exclude arguments that are unrelated to the case, confusing, or inflammatory. For example, name-calling is generally forbidden. And asking the jury to "send a message" to other criminals by finding the defendant guilty may be improper since the focus is only whether the particular defendant on trial committed a crime. (State v. Woodard, 2013 ME 36 (2013).)

*emphasis mine.
**lots of emphasis on that last emphasis. you know why.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think this trail has a jury and is purely to set damages.

I say this is it is important to the implications.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

The judge basically is the jury. Well, that’s an oversimplification.

There’s still limitations on it, and all that really means is that the people/person making the decision are going to be far less tolerant of name calling and threats,

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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If his lawyers were competent, they'd be telling him to STFU. Fortunately, no competent lawyer will represent him.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They might if he actually paid them.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago

He laid $3M up front to a very good lawyer in Georgia.

Who urged him to look for a plea deal.

And got benched, and is now chilling doing sweet fuck all and waiting out his retainer.

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[–] ApeNo1@lemm.ee 96 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The judge after Trump has finished speaking.

“What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] Newguy@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago
[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 69 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Will that be before he releases his glorious healthcare plan and immigration deal or after? Because those have been coming in at any moment now.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's scheduled for after he shares his tax returns

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 24 points 8 months ago

Which will be 5-7 business days after he deposits Mexico's check for building the wall.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 3 points 8 months ago

Now that's not fair, you know the IRS that has stated many times it's not, is auditing him and so he can't share that information or he totally would! /s

[–] donuts@kbin.social 57 points 8 months ago

I'll believe it when I see it.

He loves to do this little act where he puffs up his chest and claims that he's going to testify, only to back down at the last minute.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 57 points 8 months ago

he does a lot of "intending" to be big and brave in front of "sources"

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 51 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So it will result in a barrage of sustained objections. That's music to Trump's ears. Is this oppression? [butterfly]

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago

Maybe his plan is to be held in contempt so he becomes a martyr and proves to his idiots that he's being silenced (though everyone else sees that he's simply not following the rules).

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, he doesn't. He always backs out at the last minute. I'll bet a tooth he doesn't even show up for closing arguments.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh please oh please oh please

[–] theDoctorJtD@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

I have never wanted anything so much as this.

[–] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

General Tso Chi Kin says, when your enemy is making a mistake, shut your dumb mouth you idiots.

[–] BoastfulDaedra@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can think of no way in which this could go wrong for him...

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm the victim of a very unfair trial and very unfair judge. A judge who I think probably has magnets, if there's one thing I know it's magnets and you put water on it - no more magnets. No but - it's true, Mexico is sending over killer magnets that hate Christians, it's so terrible, folks, the biased prosecution doesn't - I don't have to because of president. See, they don't want you to know that - it's true that many people are saying I'm the smartest fraud who ever shat himself, but I think - if you want America back, you need to buy my steaks.

Amen.

[–] Newguy@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

This is almost believable! You time traveler

[–] tegs_terry 17 points 8 months ago

Please do, you mush-mouthed cock. Open up your rancid maw and get that cuban heeled foot in there nice and deep.

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago (6 children)

It's all fun and games till he tries to pull a hitler and use his time in court in insite violence or another more dangerous insurrection

[–] riskable@programming.dev 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If he's going to "pull a Hitler" he should skip all the nonsense and move straight to the final act.

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't mind but we would never hear the end of it

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[–] JdW@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Pulling a Hitler would actually entail a conviction for a failed coup and years in prison before the grab for power.... And a shitty political book written in prison.

He's even failing in emulating Hitler the right way.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Pretty sure that ship has already sailed.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 12 points 8 months ago
[–] TechAnon@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago

Any legal experts in here? Can this be used as testimony for the judge/jury?

[–] pottedmeat7910@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well, it's not the worst idea he's ever had.

Although, I'm really only saying that because this is the same guy that suggested nuking tornadoes, trading PR for Greenland, and drinking bleach to cure COVID.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

I don't know why people are acting like he won't...

This isn't taking the stand as a witness, this isn't presenting facts like a lawyer.

And his lawyers will still say everything they were gonna say anyways.

This is just trump knowing how much this will get his name out for something remotely positive. He isn't speaking to the judge, he's speaking to his followers. And this is going to bring in a shit ton of donations. He knows any sound bite is going all over national news for a day or two.

He can say whatever he wants and lie about whatever. And everyone has to listen to him, it's a captive audience of people that he believes hates him and are "witch hunting" him.

trump is gonna be a trumpet in a subway car.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

First of all, he won't present facts.

Secondly, he is talking to the judge as there is no media allowed in the room.

Third, the judge can stop his blather anytime he wants to, which is the reason he won't do it.

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[–] geekworking@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Could he be trying to cause some sort of mistrial or appeal on the grounds that his lawyers we incompetent for not stopping him?

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

0% chance this will happen.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

In the end, he’ll shit himself.

[–] Fixbeat@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

This should be good.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Oh god I hope it’s available on video. I’ll bet you could make a drinking game with the number of crimes he admits to and commits in that single speech.

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

No media is allowed in the courtroom. So all we will get is snippets/transcriptions from journalists that are on-site. And probably select quotes from his lawyers pointing out how he's innocent and the victim of political prosecution. 🙄

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[–] Skates@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Does he plan to filibuster his way out of jail? Ain't nobody got time or this fucker's rambling.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

He did, and the judge saw it coming and said that Trump would have to agree on the record to stick to the same rules that lawyers have to stick to in court (ie stick to relevant facts that are in evidence). Of course he didn't agree.

The exchange between Trump's clown of a lawyer and the judge is in the thread on r/law on reddit. Worth reading because it's fucking hilarious.

[–] jumperalex@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

'Please proceed, ~~governor~~ Mr. Trump'

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