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or even pseudo-incriminated for attempting to maintain our own life.

It seems so stupid that I'm like a suspect for wanting an exchange of information without dropping my pants and bending over. No, I don't want cookies. Yes I want to read the article but no, I don't want to "sign up."

It makes me feel like being a f*cking hermit. But I prefer to pirate. Even though I'm not that good at it. Screw them. I got two private trackers, a VPN, and I hope that's enough.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 183 points 10 months ago (11 children)

It seems so strange to me that everyone buys the bullshit that personal data is worth very little.

The data brokerage industry is a multi-trillion dollar industry. Yet, there are only ~8 billion people in the world, many of whom don't have internet access or have very little data being traded. Thus it's reasonably safe to assume that an average regular internet user's data is worth somewhere in the region of $1,000 per year.

These companies don't do anything with the data. We create the data, they collect it and sell it, then whoever buys it is the one that actually makes something from it. If we allow the brokers a very generous profit margin, they are still stealing $500-700 from every one of us, every year.

[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago (2 children)

ChatGPT, summarize this for me like I'm a geriatric politician.

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Personal data worth a lot. 8 billion humans exist. Industry is multi trillion of profit. Even at only a single trillion that's 1000 dollars per person a year. It's way more than 1000.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That's including showing the ads. The data itself isn't worth that much unless people are viewing them.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

The efficacy of advertising is sold primarily by advertisers. It's possibly worth a vanishing fraction of what these ghouls say it's worth. But so long as buying it and acting like a greedy invasive bastard is more profitable than ignoring it, even by a tiny margin, corporate giants will keep doing it, since the cost to them is a rounding error.

The industry enabling this is large because they get to sell the same garbage to so many bastards.

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[–] citizen@normalcity.life 84 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Whatever you are getting your hands into remember that there's plenty of free alternatives and libre products available in the public domain. Supporting these is a good way to unsupport the closed counterpart.

[–] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As an OSS advocate, I fully agree. Sadly, OSS alternatives have to compete with easily accessible, slick and well-integrated products that are aggressively positioned. Just imagine all the steps you need to go through, just to install Fennec from F-Droid.

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I just installed Fennec from F-Droid and it was like three steps. Search, install, and confirm install. I guess if I didn't already have F-Droid, it would be more steps to install it, but that's not too hard either, and you only have to do it once.

[–] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It's easy for you and me. But imagine you're Joe Everyman. First off, you need to know about F-Droid and where to download it. Then confirm that the browser can install software. And this is where I would imagine many users second-guessing if everything's legit. And after it's installed, you've got two separate app-stores to deal with. You need to know what you can install where.

If I extrapolate from my mother-in-law, who still can't wrap her head around the concept of an app-store, let alone alternative browsers, that's just too much hassle for most people.

[–] citizen@normalcity.life 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Not so much ago i was handled an iphone and i had no idea how to unlock it and use it as there aren't any keys or instructions on the device. Joe Everyman is just used to it but in fact iphones are not easy to use. I think this really thread can also hint something, some OSS may not be easy to use or well supported but it is designed to be open and accessible. Proprietary software and standards puts you through a set of restrictions for example having to register and give away all your personal informations to download binaries.

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 15 points 10 months ago

Exactly

If you want to pirate, pirate. But there are plenty of free and public domain sources of entertainment and information.

Same with software. It won't be exactly the same experience but if the goal is truly an altruistic attempt to not give money to bad companies or avoid tracking or whatever... there are ways.

I pirate shit. I am not going to pretend it is some holy struggle. I want things that I don't/won't pay for.

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I recently converted to Linux and am loving the FOSS environment. Together with my NAS which covers my "cloud storage" and media server needs, I'm having an awesome time not having to give away money and/or my information just to use my own hardware.

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[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 71 points 10 months ago (26 children)

Yeah it's weird how privacy and piracy have blended together over the years.

With some games you need to pirate them if you don't want a Russian nesting doll of launchers and accounts that are able to leak your information and fill your computer with bloat.

I do find the argument interesting some YouTubers try to make about ad blockers being a form of piracy.

[–] CallumWells@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago (5 children)

To be fair, it makes sense to liken the use of ad blockers with piracy. Consuming the content without paying for it either way, either without directly paying yourself or without indirectly paying through watching ads. Doesn't change that ads on most parts of the internet are extremely invasive and far too much.

I feel fully entitled to protect myself from the ads because of the problems with them. But I don't feel the need to lie to myself about the fact that I'm consuming content without paying for it in some way. Then again I support some content creators that I feel deserve it. Not sure if that helps offset it somewhat or not, but I don't really care that much either.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Please stop doing this. It just gives bad actors better tools to fuck content creators.

If ads arent chosen and paid to the content creators directly then its a damned cancer on the entire industry and you, by giving them this, are supporting wage theft at best and exploitation at worst

How many content creators have been demonetized for no reason at all yet ads are still injected into their content anyway?

Sorry for being angry about this, but if we as a whole accept this then we are watching enshitification in action and im sick of the amazing thing that is the internet continually get worse

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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Anyone who considers adblocking immoral shouldn't block anykind of advertising anywhere.

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It is not strange. They are greedy. Period. If ever someone is less greedy, then even if only after they die the corp becomes as greedy as possible, ASAP - e.g. Disney.

What's weird is that we are also hard-wired to be generous, so piracy does weird things to our conscience. If that bothers you, my advice is to learn to tip well irl, and in CASH whenever possible - the WORKERS deserve your aid.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 41 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Fuck tipping. American tipping culture enables employers to get away with paying their hospitality service industry employees starvation wages. By giving a big tip you are just telling the employer "Don't worry about paying your employees a living wage. I got you fam."

Obviously I still tip depending on where I am, but the minimum amount that is considered socially acceptable.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What's more crazy is that the very ISPs that track all of our information and sell to the highest better are the same ones sending us letters and emails when we use torrents that they'll shut off our services if we continue to pirate movies and music.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

They have to break the law to make sure that you aren't "breaking the law".

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

You see, the paperclip maximizer is real. Only, it isn't paperclips. We are being compressed into currency.

[–] Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I remember the Internet in the early to late 90s. What a magical time it was. I've said for years now that giant corporations are going to basically buy out the Internet and pidgin hole you into using their services. They've basically accomplished that goal.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 17 points 10 months ago (5 children)

This is why we need a p2p mesh internet.

Everyone: "But Explodicle, the bandwidth will be terrible!"

Meh, all we really need is basic communication infrastructure that isn't hostile. Everything else I can wait to download... like the 90s.

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[–] SoupBrick@yiffit.net 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Corpos are greedy for money and will attack anything that stands between them and it. That is until the Govt steps in, then the lobbiests fend it off with handfulls of money.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is almost verbatim the definition of a dystopia, fwiw.

eta: the start of it is nearly a Black Mirror episode

[–] flooppoolf@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

How do you get “good” private trackers man. Either they’re all empty or just seem impossible to get into

[–] vildis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Open signups happen frequently but you have to be quick to catch them

Opentrackers.org and r/opensignups (or r/trackersignups) are good to check once in a while

MyAnonaMouse has open applications twice a week and the test is very easy

[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

maaan, I have to go to reddit for that? Ewww

[–] themachine@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Depends on which tracker. In general though invites and you get invites by association with relevant groups. Sometimes open registration occurs (though rarely) an other times the trakcer may do interviews.

It mostly comes down to time and patience.

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[–] snowe@programming.dev 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

By not torrenting. Use Usenet instead. Way safer and easier. Once I went Usenet I literally haven’t touched a single torrent in over a decade.

[–] flooppoolf@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Here we gooooo

Into the rabbit hole that is, idk what Usenet is

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[–] BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Set up a private dns too, just in case of an ambush.

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[–] java@beehaw.org 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

to the point of being denied service

Yes. Spotify blocks my account if I'm using VPN, ChatGPT asks to solve ridiculous captchas (on a paid account!). It's crazy. Reddit blocks access if you're on the VPN and not logged in.

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[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

Capitalism.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

You know what would be pretty baller? A VPN credit union kind of thing where people ask over the place have their IP substituted with anyone else's in the network! Just join in with a certain minimum of bandwidth?

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