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They cannot achieve what white people consider civilized mostly because of those endless wars. I hate this planet...This was something I learned in 2003, but most people don't realize it today. Imperialism is the highest stage of 🤡.

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[–] someuser123@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Like genders, I view the white race to be largely a social construct. I do not view all white people as enemies. I don't know why the downvotes happened, probably liberals.

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Look at the screeching about the majority white Russia, Belarus. Iranians and Syrians are pretty darn "white" too, but does that matter? No, it does not.

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

On a surface level, whiteness is skin complexion. On a deeper level Whiteness is Western class collaborationism. That's why we see various nations throughout history be excluded and then welcomed into the club of "whiteness."

The Irish used to not be white. The Italians used to not be white. The Japanese were white, while the Chinese weren't, but then got kicked out of the white club, and now are being let back into it. Hispanics are currently being integrated into whiteness.

It's all such a bullshit illogical tool of division.

[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Whiteness is a social construct, you're totally correct. I think whiteness and white supremacy are intrinsically linked with capitalism and liberalism, as they seek to maintain the illusion of capitalism.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

There’s been people recently who have the exact same take as you, but then they take it a step further by going, “And that is by all white people are our enemies and they deserve to die and suffer no matter who they are”.

You’re all good though, and don’t worry about the downvote, that happens a lot

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

The Seat of Settlerdom

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

The concept of civilisation might not map neatly into the concept of whiteness but you're definitely on to something. By this I mean that within the 'international community', different groups of people are considered to be white. But they might be more unanimous as to who counts as civilised.

Both concepts have class characteristics, though. The people deemed not-white or uncivilised are expected to do the worst jobs and be happy about it: race and civilisation, like gender, have a material foundation in capitalist relations of production. They might be social constructs but they are as real as anything else. Given that everything is historically contingent, it can't always be said that something isn't real just because it wouldn't exist in all epochs.

(I'm not the down voter, btw.)