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I have seen that the lemmy.ml mods will openly ban discussion about the CCP. I am wondering if the sh.itjust.works team allows criticism of government bodies, while still banning racism.

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[–] TheDude@sh.itjust.works 171 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Any government or governing body should be open to criticism. They are suppose to be working for the people they serve. How is anyone going to know better if no one tells them what they are doing wrong? @wriggly3171@sh.itjust.works you have my support

[–] lemme@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

πŸ‘†my dude this is yet another reason why I like it here

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago

The dude abides.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right on! So I have a question, if I posted something that got me banned from lemmy.ml (such as an article criticizing the CCP for example) I would just not have access to the communities on that instance right? Like it won't affect my experience in other instances right?

[–] TheDude@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 210 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let's find out: The CCP is committing genocide against the Uighur people

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I get banned, it wasn't worth being here in the first place.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago

totally agree, the ccp are evil

[–] lemmywinks@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Adding the people of occupied Tibet to this.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

*Occupied Tibet

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mao Zedong was a little piss baby who hid in the mountains while the KMT fought the Japanese.

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[–] alternativeninja@lemmy.sdf.org 108 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I hope so, although it's not something I personally care too much about.

[–] ballogh@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You've been banned from /c/memes 😎

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

LMAO sexy communist Winnie the pooh was not on my itinerary today. And no I'm not aroused I'm just interested in the content.

[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Surely I'm not the only one wondering what kinda unit he's packing down there. My man looks awfully proud

[–] Shit@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Find Jesus πŸ™ 😦

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey man don't infringe on my ability to be degenerate in one instance and self-righteous in the next. Besides everyone has wondered about Winnie the pooh's genitals at some point. Right guys? Right?

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[–] peotr26@sh.itjust.works 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] ljubashin@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Also lemmygrad is blocked here. As a person born in eastern block, fuck communism and tankies.

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[–] sharp@sh.itjust.works 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There's some talk about "a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately" in https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html, which struck me as odd.

Criticism of any governments should be allowed, especially authoritarian ones.

[–] Alkalyon@lemmy.ml 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah. This is kinda gaslighting:

We’ve also seen a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately, and along with that comes anti-chinese racism,

No. Anti-china posts are not racist. We all hate Hitler Germany. Does that mean we are racist against Germans?

This sentence is fundamentaly flawed and shouldn't exist in the documentation.

[–] jasondotjson@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To push back on this a little: there's definitely historical precedent for anti-regime sentiment bleeding over into anti-populace sentiment. To use your example of WWII, a lot of the anti-Japan sentiment bled over to anti-Japanese sentiment in the US in the form of internment camps.

Of course this was in the 1940s and I like to think that we've become a little bit less racist now. But I've noticed a lot more racist "jokes" on Reddit as anti-China sentiment has risen. Don't get me wrong, we should still criticize China for its many human rights abuses and imperialistic practices as well as their violations of personal freedoms in their citizens etc. etc. but we should also be aware that these criticisms will be used by racists to justify their views and their actions, and call it out when it starts becoming more about the people than the government.

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[–] Album@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

It's an absolute gaslight. He doesn't mention that the subs closed down supported authoritarian regimes and were a safe space for violence and extremism where members regularly advocated for it.

But yeah it's typical authoritarian/fascist gaslighting.

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[–] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago

I mean they are commiting a genocide so that's probably not great.

[–] lee@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yo, fuck the CCP!!!!!!! If sh.itjust.works doesn't like it I'm out

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[–] root@lemmy.belclayfer.net 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ooof the admins are weighing in on that linked thread at lemmy.ml and it's not a good look if you are in favor of human rights

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[–] LlamaSutra@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The great thing about Lemmy is that it's all decentralized. Lemmy.ml mods and admins can't do anything about other instances

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[–] Album@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

This is why I didn't make an account on lemmy.ml. I check to make sure instances I join have banned lemmygrad.

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[–] basket@burggit.moe 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] god@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes, just post your anti-ccp shit here dude it's free dude dude free it's free dude

[–] sharp@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hate to see tankies running the software and big parts of the platform.

[–] V4uban@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I wouldn't even say "big parts of the platform". Beehaw, Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works have large enough userbases now to counterbalance Lemmy.ml

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[–] V4uban@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml are the two only instances where I encountered such criticism, so I assume that sh.itjust.works would allow it

[–] Raveena@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

Why would they delete discussion like that? Are they waiting to IPO their Lemmy instance?

[–] upperleft@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (24 children)

The Chinese Communist Party is absolutely not above criticism, but I always found the China obsession on reddit to be odd. While I don't think it should be banned outright, I think y'all ought to consider what is motivating such a weird fetish (because frankly that is) for a specific government.

[–] kukkurovaca@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not a tankie and have no love for the government of China (or any government) but there is an extent to which criticism of China is deployed by xenophobes and nazis as a kind of socially acceptable rallying call or dog whistle. So, I'm all for criticizing China, but remember the allegory of the crustpunk bar

https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/1280892535024619522

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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 27 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of awful regimes around the world, but China is unique in how powerful and dangerous it is.

In particular, if China were to invade Taiwan, which it has a stated intention of doing, then the TSMC chip fabsβ€”the only place on Earth capable of mass-producing modern electronic circuitsβ€”will almost certainly be destroyed in the fighting, and that will cause a global economic depression that'll make 2008 look like a minor inconvenience. That's a huge global threat.

[–] your_mind_aches@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

There's a crazy amount of sinophobia on Reddit, but let's be clear, the people who fervently defend the Chinese government are being just as disingenuous.

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[–] scrollbars@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (62 children)

Yup, the flip side of the coin is that reddit really has a hate boner for China. The anti-CCP side has its own collection of nutty people, with a lot of the talking points tracing back to the ~~cult~~ nice people that send out all those Shen Yun flyers.

Shit's complicated. That said, banning all criticism of the Chinese government isn't the answer. We need to be smarter about the information that we digest.

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[–] parsifal@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Kowtowing to the shitty chinese government is cowardice.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Host is from Canada and the rules don't mention anything, so I would assume it's fine. Anyone know the host's account name to ask them?

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[–] jnj@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

The Lemmy project openly describes itself in its public documentation as anti-US, and was apparently founded around the idea that Reddit is fundamentally anti-China and pro-US: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html

The doc starts off talking about open source, but it quickly becomes clear that the Lemmy project is primarily political in nature.

To me this is concerning -- what happens when largely pro-US Reddit refugees swarm a community (community in the general sense, not the Lemmy sense) which was intended by the founders to combat those peoples views? Sure, instances and people can choose to ignore the lemmy.ml instance, but the founders control the project at a much deeper level than that.

Personally I hope that alternative implementations that are compatible with Lemmy arise, totally outside of the influence of the original founders. Yes there is kbin, but I actually prefer the Lemmy model (from what I've seen so far), and I think there would only be benefits of having another high quality implementation which is totally separate yet totally compatible with the original Lemmy. It would make the whole thing more resilient, and could be fertile ground for future improvements to flourish.

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