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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

People think that Jews in Israel are a monolith, but they actually come from different places and so have vastly different points of view.

For example, European Jews tend to favor a two-state solution whereas Arab and Russian Jews tend to disagree.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

And African Jews in Israel are secretly sterilised by the state so that they can’t have children. Leading to a 50% birth rate decline compared to other groups

Reuben spoke to one woman who believed she had been given a flu vaccination and had no idea she had been injected with Depo-Provera.

Another was pregnant with her fifth child when she arrived in the transit camp, where she would live for seven years. The woman in her thirties told Reuben that officials had gathered together all the new mothers in the camp and told them they would be given Depo-Provera as it would be too difficult for them to give birth Israel.

"No, we didn't want to take it, we refused. We said we didn't want it," the unnamed woman recalls in the film. She agreed to the injections only because she was told her immigration to Israel would be blocked and she would receive no further healthcare in the camps if she refused.

"This happened to many, many other women," Reuben said.

[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

Thousands of Ethiopian Jews were evacuated into Israel through covert operations by Israel.

Assessing Claims That Ethiopian Immigrants to Israel Received Birth Control Shots Without Consent

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago

I think you are missing the point. Jewish people who live outside of Israel can't be beholden to policies set by Israel. Its also important to note that Jewish is both a religion and a race.

Don't let the conflicts in Israel control your treatment of other humans. If we let hate overcome us we could end up with Holocaust type situations (it doesn't even need to be Jewish hate)

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Also people who think all all Jews are Israelis. My wife is Canadian Jewish, and she's not very religious or political. I'm Latino and I know more about Israel than she does, but people sometimes try to put Israel's baggage on her or her family because of their ancestry. She considers herself Canadian, and her Jewish heritage is a cultural one, not a location.

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Disagree as in Free Palestine or as in eliminate all moslems?

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Free Palestine

You're missing one state solution. That's what's essentially going to happen as things go. They're depopulating gaza with the plan to eventually grant citizenship to the reduced population of Palestinians so they can maintain a jewish majority. West bank alone wouldn't cause a loss in majority, but Gaza would. They won't grant right of return. Though that is genocide.

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But is that what the Arab Jews want?

[–] LaChaleurDeLaNuit@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Arab Jews were expelled from their homeland (every single Arab/Muslim country) so they don't exactly have a fond memory of living among Muslims.

But they live just fine with Israeli Arabs and just as any other human being they want to live in peace.

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Only after the creation of Israel and he Nabqa. Berore that Jews and Muslims lived mostly in peace.

[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 9 months ago

Forgive me, but I'm going to copy-paste another post of mine.

Allahdad 1839 pogrom

Mawza Exile 1679-1680

Damascus Affair 1840

Granada Massacre 1066

1834 looting of Safed

And more
"In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan and forced to convert to Islam because of a common belief that their Jewishness was impure."
"in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, although they were still required to wear a distinctive patch on their clothing."

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

nyet n yahoo doesn't care about them though.

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

"nyet n yahoo"

Damn, that's a good one!

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I actually did not know this. Please don't eat me alive.

[–] arcticbreakout@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ethnically or religiously?

[–] original2@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Both. For example Ethiopian Jews

[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It hasn't been disproved that Ethiopian Jews are ethnically Jewish.
A genetic study showed a possible genetic link.

[–] original2@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah I'm saying that jews are not necessarily ethically and/or religiously white

They can be black, and Ethiopian jews (amongst others) overwhelmingly are

[–] vrek@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Ok this is a legit question, not trying to troll or bait... Are there African or east Asian jews? Like Jewish communities in Ghana or Thailand for example?

[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yup.
Ethiopian Jews, Indian Jews, and tiny communties of Chinese and Japanese Jews.

Edit: There are more, but those are mostly Jews that ran away / were expelled from other countries.
Like Jews in Thailand who fled Russia and Iran.

[–] vrek@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, I only hear of American, European or Middle East jews.

[–] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

Indian Jews are also the only ones amongst Jewish communities who haven't faced any discrimination. Despite their presence in India for around 2,000 years.

[–] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

First thing coming to mind are the Jews in Ethiopia.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I used to know a black guy that was German by heritage

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's a country, not an ethnicity or religion.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

His family came from Germany several generations back.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, thats.. not that weird really.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes but most (racist) people just assume he's from Africa.

[–] kattenluik@feddit.nl 1 points 9 months ago

In the US or what? Never seen that before.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Finally, someone else who gets it. It's so weird that so many people think all Jews came from a single tribe at the edge of the desert. That's not how religions work...

[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

even weirder that most people seem to identify Judaism as an ethnicity and not as a religion.

[–] splicerslicer@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Because it's both? Jews can be both semites (ethnicity) and followers of Judaism (religion). Not all Jewish people are both. To make things more confusing, not all Jews are zionists, and not all Israelis are zionists.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

Stupid English doesn't differentiate between citizenship and ethnicity