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Donald Trump has now denied ever having read Adolf Hitler’s 1925 memoir-manifesto Mein Kampf as he faces a firestorm over his recent run of anti-immigrant comments, which have been likened to the Nazi leader’s infamous “blood and soil” rhetoric.

The former president returned to the campaign trail in Waterloo, Iowa, on Tuesday evening where he doubled down on his earlier inflammatory remarks.

“It’s crazy, what’s going on. They’re ruining our country. And it’s true. They are destroying the blood of our country. That’s what they’re doing. They are destroying our country,” he said.

“They don’t like it when I said that,” he added, before denying browsing Hitler’s book.

“And I never read Mein Kampf. They said, ‘Oh, Hitler said that’. In a much different way,” he said.

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[–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 99 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Because it was actually a book of Hitler's speeches that he loved to read.

Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 52 points 10 months ago

Additionally, Trump wanted US military generals to emulate generals of the third Reich and treat him like he was Hitler:

It turned out that the generals had rules, standards, and expertise, not blind loyalty. The President’s loud complaint to John Kelly one day was typical: “You fucking generals, why can’t you be like the German generals?”
“Which generals?” Kelly asked.
“The German generals in World War II,” Trump responded.
“You do know that they tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off?” Kelly said.
But, of course, Trump did not know that. “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the President replied. In his version of history, the generals of the Third Reich had been completely subservient to Hitler; this was the model he wanted for his military. Kelly told Trump that there were no such American generals, but the President was determined to test the proposition.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals

Then there's this:

Donald Trump appears to take aspects of his German background seriously. John Walter works for the Trump Organization, and when he visits Donald in his office, Ivana told a friend, he clicks his heels and says, “Heil Hitler,” possibly as a family joke.

Trump seems to aspire to be Hitler-like, and he even tried to take supreme dictatorial power through populism, lies and propaganda like Hitler did.

[–] st3ph3n@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am more shocked by the fact that that motherfucker reads books at all.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

The fact that he reads so little yet keeps this book close to his bed is telling.

[–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's easy to believe he's never read Mein Kampf. It's easy to believe he's never read a book at all. He might have read his own book, maybe.

[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would believe that he hired someone to read it and then give him the cliff notes and he just kept interrupting the guy when he was trying to explain it to him.

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[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I doubt he even wrote his own book, much less be able to read it

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Actually it was ghost written.

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[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

“They don’t like it when I said that” is one of an entire genre of Trump “they” statements. Goes along with “they like to use that word” and other claims about “they”.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"In America there is no us and them. There is only us." - Bill Clinton

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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I totally believe that he hasn't read it, or isn't capable of reading it. But I bet someone read it to him.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

He hasn't even read The Art of the Deal."

But, in fairness, I wouldn't either.

[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

“And I never read Mein Kampf. They said, ‘Oh, Hitler said that’. In a much different way,” he said.

Note how he never says that what Hitler said or did was bad, but rather that he said what Hitler said in a different way.

I long for the days when something like this would be absolutely, unequivocally disqualifying.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like he's thinks the problem is plagiarism rather than similarity of content.

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[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Seriously. We went from "you spelled potato wrong or screamed slightly weird so no presidency for you" to "you're quoting Hitler? Well, no big deal. It looks like you're still the frontrunner for your party."

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[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Trump is a bad person and so is everyone who supports him.

If you ever wondered what you would do if you found yourself in Germany in the 1930s, now you know.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Voting for trump doesn’t mean you want the president to commit atrocities against your fellow citizens, but it does mean that a politician promising to do so isn’t a deal breaker

[–] harrywrecker@kbin.social 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I very much believe he hasn't read it. In fact I'd be surprised if anyone in his circle of cronies has read it. It's so badly written.

It's a stream of consciousness completely devoid of structure. Sentences drag out for five lines and paragraphs go on for more than a page. There is often a change of subject along the way, forcing you to go back and re-read the garbage you couldn't hold onto the first time around.

It took me four weeks to get halfway through and I'm quite an avid reader.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

Came here to say exactly this. He’s never read that book and he doesn’t truly grasp the reason the book was written or the history behind it. He has no clue as to the context.

And it’s an awful book, like you said. Not just for what it advocates but it’s just so badly written. It’s fucking awful. You made it further than I did.

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

People just refuse to get it. Racist speech is animal-level shit which is always the same even across languages and cultures. You don't need to have read it before or even heard it before to reproduce it. If you find yourself calling someone dirty, calling them rats or rodents or vermin or pigs or whatever your local equivalent, or really just judging anyone based on your preferred stereotypes, you may be doing the thing you say you hate.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You don't need to read that book to know this stuff. He's putting his ignorance of on full display. Ignorance of some of the most important AND MOST OBVIOUS and accessible historical periods ...

[–] PilferJynx@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

It's fascism 101. I wish people were more well read with history. The path these neo conservatives are going is going to end in suffering. What happens when your authoritarian leader rids themselves of their undesirables? They turn on you and make damn sure you can't fight back and rebel just so they can stay in power. It's always the same story.

[–] june@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

I was talking to my dad once and he practically quoted something Michael Savage had said like 2 weeks before (it had come up on a polisci class, I don’t listen to that drivel) and when I told him as much, he said he doesn’t listen to him. Which I believe.

My point is, trump has definitely never read Mein Kampf, the man can’t read at all. But I’m confident that Mein Kampf has been parroted to him countless times.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe him. I don't think he's ever read a book at all. Plenty of morons manage to be racist all by themselves.

[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 6 points 10 months ago

I believe him, he's too much of a dumbass to remember anything he's read in a book.

But the people that are feeding him the garbage he spews on the other hand...

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't think dude read anything in his life lol

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

>implying Trump has read even one book

[–] radix@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Anything longer than 280 characters at a time, and he has to take a McDonalds break.

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[–] NataliePortland@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago

Trump, I don’t think anyone is accusing you of having read a book

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uh huh.

The natural reaction if that were true would be to take a step back and re-evaluate your rhetoric and why you're being compared to one of the most evil people in history.

He's read it cover to cover and loves it. That's why the parallels are narrowing and becoming extremely clear. And why he's not phased at the comparison.

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Believing Donald Trump has not read a book is easy, and this book is no exception. I have no problem believing he didn't read it.

Now Steven Miller on the other hand...

[–] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I believe Stephen Miller has it memorized and creeps into Trump's bedroom through the window while he's sleeping and whispers it into his ear, and has been doing this every night for 6 years. I can picture this clearly.

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[–] Dr_Decoy@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

He doesn’t read. The question we should be asking ourselves is who is telling him to say it, and what is their true agenda?

[–] a_baby_duck@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I have no trouble believing he didn't read something. Maybe if there were an illustrated version...

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think Trump reads many books overall. He probably just heard the quote somewhere and didn't bother to check it before using it as his own. I'm writing this off as an unsurprising symptom of his lack of intelligence.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Trump, rather famously, can only be confirmed to have owned one book, and it is Mein Kampf.

That said, I can indeed still believe he didn't finish it, even if he remembers a couple quotes.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

His mother, wife, and ex-few are immigrants. Although, I guess in the case of his mother, she did play a party in destroying the country.

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Honestly, for me, it is more bothersome and terrifying if he is coming to this rhetoric through a convergent mentality as opposed to parroting a past fascist dictator.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Listening to the audiobook technically doesn’t count as reading

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 5 points 10 months ago

Narrated by Stephen Miller, and with live readings too!

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is like Michael Keaton’s character in The Other Guys where he keeps quoting TLC and denies he knows anything about it.

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[–] kpw@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

He doesn't strike me as the reading type, but I'm pretty sure he listens to people who read it.

[–] sentient_water@neurodifferent.me 6 points 10 months ago

@MicroWave He's been quoted as saying he wished his generals had been like Hitler's generals. Loyal & obviously Nazis.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

The guy can't even hold a Bible up the right way. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't read any book above a third grade level, and even then only if it features tons of ego-stroking, comically flattering images of himself.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Of course he didint read it, he listened to the audio book.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

On the one hand, Mein Kampf is not a comic book, so it might be a bit above Trumps reading capabilities. On the other hand, he has more than enough minions happy enough to read it to him, and explain all the three-syllables-or-more words to him in a pacient manner. I wonder how many Leni Riefenstahl movies he has watched, though, dreaming to be the star...

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But no comment on whether his dad read it to him when he was a kid

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe him. I also think he binges those history channel shows about Hitler.

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