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Without wanting to reopen the bile discussion that Brexit usually brings, it's refreshing to hear a more sensible tone being struck about our relationship with the bloc. Less time spent grandstanding and more time spent agreeing better solutions is the way forward.

He also said he was "very interested" in talking to EU countries about new rules to reverse plummeting school trips since Brexit, and was looking to see "what more can be done" to ease touring rules for professional musicians.

I know the best answer is to rejoin but quite simply neither Labour nor the Conservatives are up for that. So we need to be realistic and reach as best possible solution as we can in the interim.

Maybe we need to stop voting for Labour and the Tories? Dunno, just a thought ๐Ÿค”.

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[โ€“] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

All I can add to this discussion as a filthy EU citizen is to say: Thank you for being the cautionary example.

[โ€“] mannycalavera 4 points 11 months ago

You're welcome. Thanks for adding that to the discussion ๐Ÿ‘.

[โ€“] Mrkawfee 3 points 11 months ago

Seriously, even the most unhinged right wing populists in Europe won't touch leaving the EU. It's killed off that reactionary idea for good.

[โ€“] Walrus@toot.wales 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@mannycalavera

That tax-dodging twerp can go away with his stupid lies about how everyone feels.

[โ€“] mannycalavera 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Totally understand your response. But we are where we are at the moment. What do you suggest can reasonably happen given both Labour and the Tories are in lock step regarding our membership - as in neither of them want to get back in and will actively keep us out of it wins them votes.

At some point we need to realise this and make the best of the situation, no?

[โ€“] Walrus@toot.wales 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] mannycalavera 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, as in we don't need to make the best of the situation (fair enough?

Again, what are your solutions given the political intransigence from both main parties and especially the next government at this point in time.

The situation isn't going to improve in the ways you want it to so you can either go worse or you can try and make the best of it. Do you not want that? Sorry I might have misunderstood what you're saying.

[โ€“] Walrus@toot.wales -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@mannycalavera

It's fairly obvious you don't understand what I say.

[โ€“] mannycalavera 5 points 11 months ago

Err... Ok. I think I've asked you quite politely for your thoughts on the subject but you haven't felt that you could give them. I'm sorry I don't have the ability to read your mind so the best I can do is ask you questions. I apologise if this offended you.

Have a nice Friday night.

[โ€“] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Lord Cameron quit Downing Street after losing the Brexit referendum, and stayed away from frontline politics until his shock return to government last month.

Rishi Sunak made him his foreign secretary as part of a cabinet reshuffle, appointing him a lifetime peer in the process so he could re-enter Parliament.

Since becoming prime minister in October last year, Mr Sunak has sought to improve the post-Brexit relationship with the EU after a period of turbulence under predecessor Boris Johnson.

He renegotiated the terms of Mr Johnson's deal withdrawal on Northern Ireland earlier this year in a bid to soften post-Brexit trading issues, despite anger from some Tory backbenchers.

He has also decided to recognise the EU's product safety symbol indefinitely, re-joined its flagship science research scheme, and is negotiating a co-operation deal with Frontex, its borders agency.

In particular, Mr Sunak has sought closer working with France on the issue of illegal migration, including by agreeing to give the country ยฃ500m over three years to help stop migrants crossing the Channel.


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