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Hamas supporters when Hamas rapes women (web.archive.org)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by speaker_hat@lemmy.one to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.ca

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.one/post/7980065

Sources:

Wikipedia: Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel

Hamas planned sexual violence as weapon of war (BBC)

What we know about rape and sexual violence inflicted by Hamas during its terror attack on Israel (CNN)

Their bodies tell their stories. They’re not alive to speak for themselves (NBC)

https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/06/israel-slams-united-nations-for-silence-over-hamas-rape-allegations

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[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Are these Hamas supporters in the room with us at the moment?

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They're not in any room, because they don't actually exist.

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This is false.

There are a lot of people who are afraid to say they support Hamas, because they know that this is something to be ashamed of, and might be illegal in their area.

And according to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas (reduced for TL;DR):

Allies
- State allies:
  - Afghanistan
  - Algeria
  - Iran
  - Qatar
  - Syria (until 2011, again since 2022)
  - Turkey (partly)
  - Venezuela
- Non-state allies:
  - Hezbollah
  - Islamic Jihad

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is North Korea in this Lemmy right now?

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one -5 points 9 months ago

You are correct, they don't have internet access, I'll remove it.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

[–] Ghost33313@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

I've met plenty of Zionists who hate how the IDF is handling this.

[+] speaker_hat@lemmy.one -9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The IDF initialize phone calls, text messages and send leaflets before targeting military targets across the Gaza Strip to dismantle the Hamas terrorist organisation.

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I also feel sorry for these people to have terrorist military cells in their buildings.

Does anyone calls, sends messages or leaflets to Israeli citizens (including non-jews) before attacking them? No, because THEY are the target.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Hamas has maybe a few million dollars worth of weapons and military hardware and some dumb rockets they aim in the general direction of Israel ... they're also capable of launching a minor military invasion that can kill 1,200 Israelis ... compared to Israel which has nuclear weapons, the support of the world's largest military, the support of the world's military corporations and billions of dollars of funding support that lead to the deaths of 17,000 people (and counting).

Israel can spend a few decades steadily terrorizing Palestinians by penning them up in an open prison and limiting their resources and killing them on a regular basis .... about 3,000 Palestinians over the past 15 years ... compared to 200 Israelis in the same time period.

This is like saying someone took revenge for the killing of their sister ... by slaughtering the family of the murderer, his neighbours, and a few extended family members as retaliation.

There are bad actors on both sides ... a third party should step in to cease hostilities ... negotiate everything and stop the death and killing. This isn't medieval Europe ... the world can figure out how to resolve a modern dispute no matter how complicated, deadly or difficult it is ... it's just a matter of convincing world leaders to stand up, take responsibility, hold everyone accountable and do something to resolve all this.

Continued bombing, shooting, killing and indiscriminate violence will not resolve anything and will only make the situation worse for everyone on all sides.

Source:

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 14 points 9 months ago

Don't forget the Israeli regime being big supporters of Hamas, propping them up with suitcases full of cash in order to deny any chance of democratic peace and provoke an attack like Oct 7 that could justify a genocide.

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas has maybe a few million dollars worth of weapons and military hardware

This is false. Hamas has an annual budget of around $1 billion (€938 million) to govern the Gaza Strip and run its military arm. Source: https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/11/02/sanctions-on-hamas-secret-investment-portfolio-unlikely-to-have-major-impact-on-groups-fun

and some dumb rockets they aim in the general direction of Israel

So because the rockets are dumb, this is fine to aim in the general Israel direction? well, no.

minor military invasion that can kill 1,200 Israelis

By latest count, the attacks by Hamas—the Arabic acronym for the Islamic Resistance Movement—killed more than 1,300 Israelis and third-country nationals, including at least 29 Americans, in a country whose population is less than 10 million. In America, that would be equivalent to killing nearly 40,000—13 times more than the number of Al Qaeda victims on 9/11. Minor, well, no. Source: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/why-107-was-worse-israel-911-was-america

penning them up in an open prison

I hope that you will be able to lead your people on the path of democracy and maintenance of law and order, until the establishment of an independent and democratic Palestinian state. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon who withdraw IDF from Gaza Strip. Source: https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/speech080205

There are bad actors on both sides … a third party should step in to cease hostilities … negotiate everything and stop the death and killing.

Now, I agree. However, 3rd party negotiation doesn't work, because this is what was done until today, and as you can see, it's not resolved.

Continued bombing, shooting, killing and indiscriminate violence will not resolve anything and will only make the situation worse for everyone on all sides.

I also agree, however, unfortunately bombing shooting and killing is the way terrorist organizations (i.e. Hamas) operates. And, unfortunately terrorism can be only treated by force (e.g. ISIS, al-Qaida, and hopefully Hamas).

The problem is that Hamas terrorists are necessarily Palestinians, but Palestinians are not necessarily terrorists.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

1 life is worth 1 life no more, to think otherwise is arrogance and hubris

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

feel sorry for these people to have terrorist military cells in their buildings.

[X] to disbelieve.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Like bombing babies in a crib" -- Netanyahoo probably idk

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 5 points 9 months ago

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