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[–] orphiebaby@lemmy.world 191 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

We live in hell, people.

Weeks into that inaugural June training, one volunteer, a disabled retired Marine Corps captain, called the local sheriff’s office to report he was battered by Florida National Guard instructors when they forcibly shoved him into a van after he questioned the program and its leadership.

[...]

In a statement, Haas said the State Guard was a “military organization” that will be used not just for emergencies but for “aiding law enforcement with riots and illegal immigration.”

[...]

On the first day of training, Newhouse said he was escorted off the base after lodging several complaints, including that the National Guard’s schedule required training on Sundays, instead of allowing members to use those days for religious services and personal time, as was the original plan.

Edit: Oh my god, it gets worse:

That month, state lawmakers and the governor revealed that they wanted to assign the State Guard $89 million to buy boats, planes and helicopters. They wanted a specialized unit within the guard to have police powers and the ability to carry weapons.

And they wanted to boost the State Guard to 1,500 members. Instead of being activated only during emergencies within Florida, they could be sent to any state to “protect and defend the people of Florida from threats to public safety.”

[...]

DeSantis, a presidential candidate, has sent Florida National Guard members and state law enforcement officers to the Texas border, and has said he is willing to work with like-minded Republican governors and sheriffs to do more state-led efforts at the southern border.

“I think states need to be more aggressive,” DeSantis said in terms of taking action on federal immigration enforcement.

This is incredibly fascist and illegal, right? If DeSantis becomes president, we are going to have a civil war.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's no "if" about this. Win or lose, this direction shows no signs of slowing. It's just a matter of when.

But if it's related to an election, it would happen if DeSantis lost, not won. The south didn't secede until Lincoln won.

[–] orphiebaby@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Not a bad opinion, but I would just like to say that just because that's how it happened once doesn't mean every civil war will be like that (clearly)

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Until you get fined for every registration that isn't "correct"

Oh, that's already a law

[–] BloodForTheBloodGod@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

And also, prepare for violence if he gets into power.

Study riot tactics and logistics points to hit, like rail. Organize with other antifascists.

Get armed if you can.

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

It's all above board probably in the most literal sense. The State Guard would have to be called up and do something really heinous for any legal action to happen I think.

It's quite fascist though. All his actions as governor come straight out of the 1930s.

[–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is he suggesting Florida needs to start invading other states because that’s hilarious.

[–] S_204@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

If Georgia goes Blue in the next election, clearly there's voter fraud that Florida will need to investigate for the sake of the Union.

Nothing funny about the Governors commitment to democracy here.

S/ just because there are really stupid people who actually believe that shit.

[–] orphiebaby@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Isn't that what they're trying to do with the extradition of trans kids or whatever?

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Sure, just let a republiccan government with republican judges and reps come up with laws that truly make it illegal. That'll happen right?

[–] Raziid@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely feels like DeSantis just wants an army of henchmen, even if it’s only for the threat of it.

[–] Decoy321@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

He wants his own Schutzstaffel. These guys are really looking at nazi history like it's a how-to guide.

[–] CorrosiveCapital@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone that hasn't read "It can't happen here" needs to go do so right now. While it was responding to the wave of fascism in America during the 1930's, it's remarkably prophetic about what we face now.

[–] nikt@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I made an attempt a few years ago, but the way this book was written really hasn’t aged well. I found it dull and patronizing and gave up.

Philip Roth’s “The Plot Against America” is a much better book if you ask me, dealing with similar themes but written more recently.

[–] CorrosiveCapital@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It definitely took me a bit to get into, but the scathing indictment of the upper middle class liberal pearl clutching in the face of fascist violence eventually hooked me.

I'll give "The Plot Against America" a try.

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago

So a fascist governor is trying to train a militia that answers only to him? Brownshirts anyone?

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] TheSaneWriter@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Disgusting. DeSantis is obviously trying to create armed forces loyal only to him to do his bidding, which can only have disastrous consequences. The damage he would do to American institutions as president would be incalculable, and he would probably destroy foreign relations between the United States and every other country.

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

These people supporting him always are happy about it

"He's going after our enemies!" Is how they think

Not realizing that being a normal, non elite citizen or not one who bribes the governor, or not a corporation, you'll eventually be on that enemies list

[–] RocksForBrains@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago
[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Republicans preparing for a coup?

[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Instead of being activated only during emergencies within Florida, they could be sent to any state to “protect and defend the people of Florida from threats to public safety.”

At best, it'll be used to terrorize people fleeing Florida for it's draconian laws. At worst it can be used in a military coup.

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