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Nothing's iMessage app wasn't its only security lapse - Android Authority (www.androidauthority.com)
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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’m not really sure what to say about Nothing as a company, after two generations of devices so far.

The price isn’t right, the quality isn’t really there, the entire back panel is a massive gimmick, and even the 2 is still missing features, which I won’t buy a phone in 2023 without.

What’s worse, is that they’re trying to stand out quickly by offering potentially groundbreaking things, while in reality they’re built on something fundamentally broken, like Sunbird.

The forecast is not clear

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are the missing features you can't live without?

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the case of the Nothing 2, specifically, the lack of a high IP rating is a huge dealbreaker. The latter will be personal preference, but I did not like the camera performance. That can be improved with software upgrades, but when we spend this much money on a device, I just don't want to drop money on a promise of something

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can understand the camera part. It's one of the reasons I was done with budget phones.

What's a high IP rating? What does IP stand for in this context? I'm assuming it's neither internet protocol nor intellectual property...

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Liquid and dust resistance. NP2 is only rated at IP54, which is definitely not ideal.

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In this case it's "Ingress Protection" rating - as in how well it prevents water and dust from getting inside the phone when exposed.

Edit: since I'm on hold and bored, here's the Bard description of the rating system

The Ingress Protection (IP) rating system is a two-digit code that tells you how well an enclosure is protected against dust and water. Here's a quick breakdown:

  • First digit: This is for solid objects, like dust, fingers, or tools. It goes from 0 (no protection) to 6 (dust-tight).
  • Second digit: This is for water, like splashes, rain, or immersion. It goes from 0 (no protection) to 9 (protected against high-pressure water jets).

So, an IP67 rating means the device is dust-tight and can withstand being submerged in water for a short time.

Here are some real-world examples:

  • IP44: Splashproof phone, suitable for light rain or spills.
  • IP65: Dustproof camera, good for outdoor use but not submersion.
  • IPX7: Waterproof smartwatch, can survive a dunk in the pool.
  • IP68: Rugged phone, can handle being underwater for extended periods.

Remember, IP ratings are just guidelines. Always check the manufacturer's instructions for specific usage advice.

[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You said that perfectly! Everything I was thinking. 💪👍😎

[–] jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you own one? i bought the phone 1 to use as a work phone and its been pretty stellar tbh. Not something to use as a daily, I'd prefer a flagship for that but the phone has been really good to me

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly the fact that you explicitly say you wouldn’t use it as a daily driver, when that’s all most people have… is a terrible review.

[–] jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ehhh no i'm just not the right consumer.

The phone is great for someone who wants a phone that still feels premium while being willing to sacrifice some of the frills like a slightly better camera, higher water resistance, etc

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

It’s not just water resistance, it’s not even dust proof which is extremely easy to achieve in this day and age.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago

I am not surprised.

The description of the app just screamed security nightmare.

It was like a man in the middle attack opt-in service.

[–] Renohren@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, it's alright. it might have cost 2$ more per phone to get some cybersecurity firm to audit all their services, fix them before launch and provide continuous monitoring. Who can afford 2$ on a 700 phone?... /S

How on earth would anybody launch a tech product without being serious on encryption and data protection in 2023?

I consider those flaws to be purposefull. Carl Pei cannot invoque the inexperience card anymore.

At least Google, Apple and Samsung protects the data they collect on their users, they know it's value and they don't want to share that money making data.

[–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Never liked Chinese brand phones.

They are always filled with security holes, sometimes "accidentally on purpose".

[–] ser@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nothing Technology Limited (stylised as NOTHING) is a British consumer electronics manufacturer based in London. It was founded by Carl Pei, the co-founder of the Chinese smartphone maker OnePlus. Investors in the company include iPod inventor Tony Fadell, Twitch co-founder Kevin Lin, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman, and YouTuber Casey Neistat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_(company)

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 30 points 1 year ago

fuck spez

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ew spez

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And Chinese brands often piss on the GPL license, not respecting their obligation to provide the source code.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they do that, they can be sued. That's the point of an enforceable license. It's not just an honor thing, or you could be sure Microsoft wouldn't abide by it.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can try, but if they mostly operate in China, the only actual thing that could be done would be an import ban.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

An import ban for not respecting the laws of the country you're trying to import to sounds reasonable. Look at all the Chinese variants of games, it's only fair to have some give and take.