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Bombshell poll shows number of Brits who believe Brexit has gone very well hits new low (leftfootforward.org)
submitted 11 months ago by Syldon to c/uk_politics
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Link to the poll mentioned.

A good break down of the other polls done by Yougov on this subject by youtuber Phil Moorhouse.

My personal opinion is that Labour do not want to talk about Brexit until they can stop the Tory media telling lies on the subject. We will only get one shot at reversing this fiasco, so they want to get it right. With Labour I agree on this. Let it lie until we can have some actual facts on the matter. Any discussions with current media throwing in their bias is swayed by those who have pocketed billions from the Misery imposed over Brexit.

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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If only they were warned about the consequences... oh right, "project fear."

The UK had a privileged place in the EU before they blew it up over, as best I can tell, fear of foreigners, (which is curious given that immigration is now at record levels.) It's not often that one gets to see a world power commit suicide over irrational xenophobia.

[–] Syldon 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You realise that most wars are fought over irrational xenophobia. Xenophobia is the easiest button to push for the populist vote.

[–] TheMongoose@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but we didn’t go to war with another country, we just stuck a screwdriver in our own ear and kept twisting it.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago

tbf any time people vote for a party that fearmongers about foreigners it's equivalent to them kicking themselves in the nuts, like at best it only results in yet more money being taken from the voters and put into the pockets of the wealthy

[–] catch22@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago

Project fear, or where it refers to the supposed remainders in the Tory party is also lies. They were all in on it, suppressing reports on how bad it would be and trying to avoid EU tax regulations.

Cameron, May, all of them wanted it. It was a proper The Sting level big con. They are the slippiest of cunts. This isn't a bad article

https://medium.com/the-jist/was-eu-tax-evasion-regulation-the-reason-for-the-brexit-referendum-980ba88a8077

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yet the Tories are still running the trash heap.

[–] tenebrisnox 2 points 11 months ago

And if they can pull a “Falklands” in the next 12 months may keep their eternal grip on power. War with… er… Greece.. over some ancient… oh… Greek statues… anyone?

[–] rayquetzalcoatl 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"until they can stop the Tory media telling lies on the subject" good luck getting a Tory to tell any truth ever; the dirty lying little weirdos can't help themselves

[–] TheMongoose@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Boris Johnson (on camera): “there are no cameras here”

Man (pointing) “there’s one right there!”

Lying. It’s like breathing for these assholes.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago

remember that time a monsanto shill unhesitatingly said yes to drinking weed killer only for his brain to catch up seconds later and hurriedly say "not really of course" because it's fucking WEED KILLER? these people are literally so used to bald-facedly lying about the most obvious shit that it's reflexive to them.

https://youtu.be/uh8lxKrFmQs

[–] theinspectorst@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

My personal opinion is that Labour do not want to talk about Brexit until they can stop the Tory media telling lies on the subject. We will only get one shot at reversing this fiasco, so they want to get it right.

Labour don't want to talk about Brexit because they're already on course to win the election by a landslide, so why do anything different to exactly what they're already doing? It's not about only getting one shot to get this right, it's just profound risk aversion. Labour's preferred outcome is for literally nothing to change in the political debate between today and election day.

Remember though that polling has shown for some time that, if a Rejoin referendum was held tomorrow, Rejoin would win comfortably. So Labour will be forced to change their approach on this when (probably sometime during the next parliament) the Lib Dems start getting more vocal on Rejoin, causing Labour to start bleeding votes to them - at which point the risk averse thing for Labour to do will now be to start talking about the issues that matter to the moderate pro-EU majority.

It'll be a repeat of what happened with the People's Vote campaign, where Labour failed to entertain the idea right up until the 2019 EU elections, where they finished 3rd behind the Lib Dems, losing even in solid-red Labour heartlands like Islington, which forced Labour to have to catch up with where Labour voters already were on this issue.

[–] TheMongoose@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Labour don't want to talk about Brexit because they're already on course to win the election by a landslide

Are they? Do they have any major policies or plans at all, or are they just relying on “well at least we’re not the Tories, right?”

I realise I don’t read the news much any more (because it’s depressing AF), but I’ve not seen anything to make me think the morons that voted for Brexit, and then confirmed it by voting in Johnson would do anything different this time around. Sure, they’re turkeys voting for Christmas, but they’ve done it twice, why assume they’ll learn the error of their ways?

[–] theinspectorst@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They've been polling around 20pts clear of the Tories for a long time. The Tories' numbers are hovering around the mid-20s, which is a level at which FPTP can lead to some really lop-sided outcomes. Some of the polls over the last year have even implied the Tories ending up the 3rd or 4th party in Westminster.

[–] TheMongoose@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

Well, I'll believe it when I see it. But please, just give me a minute to sit back and enjoy that mental image...

[–] frazorth 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Labour don't want to talk about Brexit because they're already on course to win the election by a landslide

I'm afraid I'm a little sceptical of Labour winning. Not because I don't want them to win but because the voting in this country is fucked.

General election 2019, Boris got a "landslide" victory with "the largest ever vote for a single party" at 43% of the vote.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election

The system is so fucked that Corbyn had 30% of the vote and still Labour lost 60 seats.

In 2015 the Tories kept power under Cameron with only 36% of the vote.

If a third of the population still think that Brexit has been a success, and you have to add the small handful of "always support Tory", then there may be still enough people in this place to keep them going because absolute numbers don't count, it's all about how well they are clustered.

Untill they are all kicked out, I don't know if I could believe it even if they announced that Labour has the majority of MPs.

[–] theinspectorst@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you not looking at polling when you make statements like that? Labour have for some time been polling in the 40s, and the Tories polling in the 20s, and FPTP is brutal when you get that sort of polling differential.

If you take this week's latest YouGov poll (Lab 45%, Con 22%, Lib Dem 9%, etc) and plug it into Flavible, it gives a result of Lab 423 seats, Con 107, SNP 54, Lib Dem 40. This would represent a considerably worse defeat for the Conservatives than even 1997.

[–] frazorth 3 points 11 months ago

And I hope it is a massive defeat that takes them decades to recover.

However I have seen polling in the past election where May was going to get destroyed, where Brexit was unlikely, where Corbyn was going to be PM. A poll is just a poll.

Until we get the real numbers through I'm not going to hold my breath. This country has shown time and time again that we are great at picking the really stupid option.

[–] Syldon 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think we both agree that the opinion of the swing seats is a driving force of the Labour/Starmer narrative. Although Labour did not finish 3rd in the 2019 election, or am I missing something with "the people's vote".

[–] theinspectorst@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

2019 EU elections

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131

This is what prompted Labour to finally endorse the People's Vote campaign in their 2019 general election manifesto.

[–] Syldon 1 points 11 months ago

I will read up on it, cheers. I am relatively new to looking at politics. The historical things I have to read up on.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So about a third of the country are morons, but can you get your government to only consist of one third morons?

[–] Syldon 8 points 11 months ago

That one third estimate seems very consistent for a lot polls I am seeing this year. I put it down to the audience who listen and accept the lies of GBnews, TalkTV and the multitude to far right paper media. My opinion is that a third of the country are living in an echo chamber of bullshit. They are convincing the turkeys to vote for Christmas. We need a Leveson enquiry 2.0.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Not really a bombshell at this point, as I understand it

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People who think brexit has gone very well...

Everything is fine.

[–] Syldon 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Some have done well out of Brexit. They are just not the run of the mill man on the street. Brexit was always a con to rob the poor.

[–] tenebrisnox 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Living in an insanely pro-Brexit area, the usual comments are either: “Best thing we ever did. We control our borders now.” or “We’re not going to talk about it. Democracy won.” I think if the referendum was run again the results would be the same - or a bigger Brexit majority. The crazies in my area are obsessed with “illegals”.

[–] Syldon 1 points 11 months ago

Quite sad imo.

[–] Syldon 1 points 11 months ago

This seemed very apt regarding the morons following the Leave narrative. They don't seem to grasp that a minister for Common Sense is Harry Potter territory.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well wasnt like the main point too many immigrants from the EU, and now theres even more?

Id consider it sabotage at that point.

[–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There wasn't a main point. It was advertised to every group as the solution to their specific grievance, like more money to the NHS, less immigration, less crime, cheaper housing, you name it. If you didn't like something, it was the EU's fault, if you did, we could do more of it without the EU shackles.

[–] Syldon 1 points 11 months ago

Brexit was sabotaged?