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I know there are many of these posts, but I just finished the Dan Simmons sci-fi series, Hyperion and felt the need to write this. Wow. Utterly stunned is my best description of how I feel. In awe, really, that someone could craft such a thoughtful, thought-provoking, and magnificent tale. Over 30 years ago no less!

The characters, the scope, the detail, the emotion, the ideas, OH! the ideas! How does someone come up with so many futuristic ideas, realities, visions, prophecies?

Dan Simmons, if you are out there, I'd love to interview you. I'm overwhelmed with the genius you possess, but it struck me, at the end of Rise of Endymion, that you're describing the place where you tapped into to create this beauty - The Void Which Binds. Bravo.

Thank you for writing this series. My worldview is forever changed.

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[–] munkie15@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The first two were great. After that I couldn’t get past the grooming vibes and from what I read, it doesn’t get any better in that regard.

[–] amoderndelusion@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I’ve read Hyperion a few times and some of the concepts it introduces still astounds me. The story where bodies affected by the cruciform stood affixed to steel lighting rods is striking.

[–] Bresdin@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Oh, I really enjoy this series, but dont think I could go back to it. Its sex scenes really were offputting for me.

[–] SignificantCaptain76@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Jktrollinggger@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I really enjoyed Hyperion. Unfortunately for me, the Priest's tale in the first book is probably one of my favorite short stories of all time - it really checked all the boxes for me. The rest of the book/series was good, but didn't hit the same.

[–] PG3124@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s really interesting I always felt it was my least favorite, though still great, out of all of them. Looking back, I think it’s his ability to write about relationships that has me loving all the other ones more.

[–] Jktrollinggger@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

At the risk of going against the grain, I find most of the relationships in the series were written a bit ... Amateurish? Idk, it felt a bit fan fiction-y.

That said, I love the more horrific, methodically written, virtually devoid of any semblance of a healthy relationship prose - like in the Priest's Tale.

It's funny how we seem to have completely opposing viewpoints. Nothing wrong with that of course lol

[–] travellinground@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To this day, its one of my favourite random used bookstore finds. Randomly see it, read back and go that looks good. My oh my was I in for a good time!

[–] 60yearoldME@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Incredible!

[–] TheSmokedSalmon420@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The priest and the scholar were so good.

[–] Phreakdoubt@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The Consul's tale was fucking heartbreaking as well.

[–] Dractheridon@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I feel like it's among the best of all Sci-Fi - and I keep seeing the influence of this in a lot of things - like Starcraft, Mass Effect, and Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets.

I wish so hard that they'd do an adaptation, but do it right, long-form 6 seasons of HBO quality....hold no punches, make it authentic.

[–] humbuckermudgeon@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I loved Hyperion. Also enjoyed reading the Terror.

I could be mistaken, but I recall an interview or essay he wrote years ago and he was shitting all over Tom Clancy saying he wrote books for sixth graders. I rather liked Clancy's early stuff, but later on... yeah... kinda giggled at Simmon's take.

[–] a-space-pirate@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I've never read it but I have a tendency to read up on the lore from a lot of different series and get into them that way. I say this because even though I don't know much as far as the story goes, the Shrike is easily the scariest and most badass "villain" I think I've ever read about. The whole concept of its victims being impaled and essentially kept alive and in the worst torment one can imagine for eternity is just metal as fuck.

[–] AnEriksenWife@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is third on my list of to-read books (first is this scifi anthology, then it's Canticle for Leibowitz), I keep hearing about it, somehow wasn't exposed to it before this year, I am excited!!

[–] OneTreePhil@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is "this scifi anthology"?

[–] AnEriksenWife@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Shaper of Worlds vol IV

Kinda a fun idea. A guy had a podcast where he interviews authors. At the end of the year, he collects a short story from each of them, puts it in a book. He has done this 4 times :)

[–] zergiscute@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hyperion is pretty good but I liked his illium/Olympus series better.

You probably don't want to talk to him or even read his later books, he went totally bat shirt fox news /Alex Jones / Trump rally grandpa.

[–] 60yearoldME@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Good to know!

[–] Cheech_Jarritos@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Finished the Hyperion cantos - loved it.

10% way through Ilium. Really like it so far.

[–] DominusDraco@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I think I must be the only person who doesn't get the hype. I struggled through the first one, does it get better? Or should I not bother with the second?

[–] Dtodaizzle@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

First book was great, except it ended in a cliffhanger.

[–] blackandwhiteddit@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I love his interperation of Abraham's story.

[–] Frunnin@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I remember starting this series years ago and I was loving it. A few books in and the story was just dragging along which caused me to lose interest. Maybe I should go back and try again.

[–] mcorah@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I just finished the series I loved how the first two books dealt with religion and philosophy, particularly how the AIs even had their own religions and factions.

I felt like Endymion/Rise of Endymion went off the rails a bit trying to explain things that didn't need explaining while not doing as well explaining key concepts and themes (the Tree of Pain, adding just bits and pieces about the Shrike).

Also, I've read enough on flying carpets. The yee kindly.

[–] austarter@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I really love his Olympos duology. Way ahead of its time.

[–] TyphoonTao@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I discovered Dan Simmons through "Illium" and "Olympos" before moving on to "Hyperion". I found the two books based on the Iliad to be awesome - anyone else read/enjoyed them?

[–] Porkenstein@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Dan Simmons, if you are out there, I'd love to interview you

unfortunately he spiraled into far right nutjobbery a while ago... just take a look at the synopsis of flashback quoted here:
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/dan-simmons-goes-off-the-deeper-end.196191/

[–] Brompy@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I've only read "The Terror" by him, loved it. Does "Hyperion" rank above it in terms of his works, you'd say?

[–] StrategicTension@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Reminder that, however you imagined him, the Consul character was wearing a dorky tricorn hat the entire time. Like a civil war reenactor

[–] lapras25@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

How does one person come up with so many ideas… while there’s great originality in Hyperion, there are also great examples of borrowing and imitation, for example there is a sequence where Braun Lamia gets a hacker friend to hack into the AI’s database (I can’t remember the proper terms sorry) which draws heavily on Neuromancer. Also in general Hyperion draws together different genres in a really great way. Btw for those who like Amazon Audible, I recommend the audiobook version.

[–] ChocLife@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Over 30 years ago no less!

This made me smile. The implication that a) It's a long time ago, and b) Some writers of yore could write well.

It's just funny. Thanks for the recommendation!

[–] lucpet@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Great book for sure, but I don't enjoy that style of story construction. To me its just annoying :-)

[–] Accomplished_Neckhat@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

added to my wish list

[–] Ok_Zombie_8307@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The first book is amazing, one of the best scifi novels ever. The second book is ok, but is underwhelming.

Books 3 and 4 are not only awful, they revolve around the author's self insert mary sue character starting to "fall in love" with his adoptive daughter character who he raised from childhood, who at the time is 13(?!).

That 4th book is truly heinous pedophilic apologia, a groomer fantasy.

[–] CountChoculasGhost@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I LOVED the first two books. They are still likely my favorite books ever. I’ve heard very mixed things about the second half of the series, so haven’t gotten around to reading them yet