Premier League

Unfortunately if people in charge don't want something but know they are going to be outvoted, they often still have enough authority to sabotage the thing they don't want. Think giant cookie banners on websites rather than small ones, red margarine in America rather than creamy coloured and var being needlessly shit in the UK rather than being used to improve decision making with minimal interference.

Refusing to use modern technology to help make correct the correct call on the field would cost the league far more. Fans will always complain regardless of who makes the call.

No, They will keep refining it and it will get better over time. Until then, it gives us something to bitch about when things don’t go our way or create a conspiracy of why things happen

I’d rather them get it right but they need to implement what the NFL does and just let managers use 1 challenge per half. And if it’s the last 5 minutes or extra time they check everything as usual.

Lol I really don't understand the argument of "it's ruining goals I can't even cheer for them anymore". So you were cool cheering for a goal that shouldn't have been one and keeping it versus now when you actually get a goal taken away that should be taken away? Get over yourselves.

I cheer every goal and if it ends up being taken away I accept it. It is you taking the joy out of celebrating real goals, not VAR. Also, VAR has made some hilarious decision-based cheers occur and that's like an extra goal the game didn't have before.

In the states when we had PL mornings come to Austin we brought our Palace support clubs from all over the state and watched the game outside on a big screen with the Arsenal fans next to us. I hear this type of event would never occur across the pond. It was such a thrill, and the VAR decisions prompted the biggest reactions out of one fanbase or the other. Y'all act like it's taking away, I feel like it's only added to tbh.

Keep celebrating your goals until someone gives you a reason not to tbh.

Yes, if they continue to ruin matches and straight up rob teams. The fans will stop watching. Shit I barely want to watch a match as a neutral cause I know it’ll get ruined

No. They just need to improve it, break down that ref club they’ve got going on and start acting with integrity. And by that I mean don’t let referees take jobs in Saudi Arabia because it’s a clear conflict of interest. As clear as players gambling on matches as well.

Yes, I think it has obviously becoming a worse product, the game is less enjoyable to watch.

I don't think there is anything else to discuss is there?

The fact that more decisions are correct is great objectively, but subjectively we have learned that we cannot celebrate goals for 2-3 minutes, and there is no way to implement VAR in a manner that does not destroy that emotion of the game.

The major issue the PL faces is within a few years, it will be an uncompetitive league because the side at the top will have too much money and become unassailable.

what’re you gonna watch? the MLS? lol

Var no. PGMOL absolutely.

Are you kidding? VAR is creating reality tv levels of drama every week and the media is doing their best to amplify it. I’m almost tempted to believe VAR is deliberately bad to generate such drama.

The people whining about removing it will continue to whine about decisions going against them when it’s gone. It’s a no-win situation.

I think it will in the long run. I tend to just watch Arsenal now whereas as before I'd watch all games. They've lost any excitement that was left imo

It’s just so corrupt it’s unreal

I've started to don my tin foil hat and wonder if there is some kind of agenda to get certain results. There are too many wrong decisions that EVERYONE else can clearly see differently.

PGMOL is turning off fans. Their inability to not appear corrupt is turning off fans

The champions league has been worse

It won't.

Let's get real. It can be a real pain the ass when VAR takes forever to make a call, and then makes a decision completely inconsistent with the usual procedures.

But I haven't met a single person who has stopped watching matches because of VAR, and if it was going to happen, it would have been when it was first introduced.

No, shit referees will cost it and people blaming VAR instead will be what enables them. Normal leagues are coping fine with VAR.

Either that or the basic bitch punditry we get every week

It won't cost the league but it is going to continue causing a problem until they update the rules of the game and learn how to use VAR to enforce them. Right now, most of what we have is geared towards a non VAR world and a subjective decision by the on field ref. That needs to change.

Personally I think they should take the tennis approach. The captain and manager / coach have 3 (example number) VAR calls they can request per half. If the review shows that the on field decision should be overturned, they keep that call. If the VAR review sides with the referee then they lose a VAR call for that half. Everything else is down to the on field refs with the exception of offsides but only because I think that they could be automatically done in real-time in a similar way we have goal-line technology checking for goals.

The problem is not with VAR, is with the referees! The reason he hear so much about var is because now we have proof of their incompetence!

Flip side of this would be are poor referreeing decisions going to harm the popularity of the league? At the end of the day VAR has helped improve calls overall, it's the incompetence of the organisation that is the same with or without it.

Why is the topic always about VAR and not the incompetent refs?

It's like people forgot the reason VAR was introduced in the first place, and am happy with VAR because it has exposed how terrible the refs are even with help.

We literally have more correct decisions now than before VAR. it’s not perfect but do you want 90% correct decisions with VAR or 70% correct decisions without it? The answer should be obvious.

(I made up the percentages but you get the point)

VAR is shit. It doesn’t change the fact that refs still make shit calls, and it ruins the flow of the game. It’s been a complete negative on the game.

Its the refs not listening to VAR that will ruin the PL, every other league and fifa have made VAR work well, only the PL has problems with it and coincidentally its the refs incompetence that is causing the issues

I think what gets lost in the VAR debate is the fact that there were conversations about referees every week before VAR existed. Peoples memory seems to be conveniently short but the amount of howlers refs made took up plenty of airtime 5 years ago

VAR certainly lowers the entertainment value in the name of the ‘right’ decision. It doesn’t eliminate bad decisions though so not sure it’s really worth it.

I would personally scrap it but can’t see that happening.

In a word, yes.

I think that VAR is great, but they should do like in cricket and tennis, where the captain or manager reviews specific decisions instead of every single decision being reviewed taking up so much time. They should have a certain amount, idk how many maybe 3-5. Idk tho, I ain’t a professional

No

If all other sports and leagues that use it are any guideline, it will get better with time, to a point where we wonder what life was like without it.

I miss being able to celebrate a goal

What bullshit post,it’s humans who have been screwing up not VAR

Yes.

The entire premise “if only the on field decisions were more correct then people would enjoy football more” is completely flawed.

Maybe, at best, people would complain less, but it doesn’t mean they will watch more or importantly spend more money attending or watching on TV.

Additionally, what has been completely highlighted is there is a huge amount of referring decisions that nobody can agree on what the right answer is.

I gave up on the NFL because of how awful replay made it to watch. It became a game within the game. It became a competition ABOUT the rules instead of under the rules.

If decades of comedic refereeing haven’t affected the league’s popularity neither will VAR.