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A debate is currently occurring about if it would be better to scrap VAR now of risk people turning off the sport due to time delays and bizarre decisions VAR Is making.

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[–] Ickyhouse@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Yes. I watch fewer games as a neutral bc I am too frustrated by VAR. I now only watch Arsenal and maybe another game that has a big affect on the top 4. I’d watch more if I wasn’t frustrated with the league so much.

[–] macarouns@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’ve never enjoyed the Prem less than I do right now and I imagine it will only get worse. Feels like it’s had the entertainment sucked out of it, with VAR being one of the main culprits. Watching lower league football is such a breath of fresh air.

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[–] Merryner@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

You wait 23 years for your club to get promoted back to the PL only to find out it’s all a big bag of wank.

[–] Twiggy_15@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

In the long term?... football is a lot less enjoyable now. Inevitable that the popularity will start to be effected.

[–] A-s-s-head@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Match fixers dream. It will be around forever.

[–] RudeAndQuizzacious@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Every top league has VAR, and the direction of travel seems to be other leagues will eventually adopt it

[–] moruga1@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The referees for not accepting wrongdoing and somewhat incompetence may be the reason people turn away from the EPL.

[–] squeda@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (7 children)

That and bringing geopolitics into sports lol. The further down the hole we go the more I question why I'm a fan.

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[–] BDR529forlyfe@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes. I have stopped watching full matches. The time stopping for VAR checks is like American football game pauses. Eventually, Sky sports will be putting commercials n during they time.

That’s just the time it takes for checks. Nevermind the inconsistencies of the outcomes, which is worse than the game pausing.

[–] BaconOnTap@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

This is actually a crazy idea that has probably been discussed in meetings. They could charge more based on the popularity of the teams.

[–] Joperhop@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Not if its done correctly, its used in other leagues just fine, its used in rugby just fine, its just refs in England, SUCK! and you are not allowed to speak ill of them else you get fined and banned by the corrupt FA.

[–] PoetWonderful2398@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It’s not VAR but the people running it, but in all honestly, it’s put me off. I’m much more invested in my local EFL team now. So much more exciting. Probably helps that we’re currently the most batshit team in the country to watch right now

[–] dangleicious13@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No. Not at all.

[–] mofoofinvention@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No, of course not

[–] DinnerSmall4216@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It's been getting to the point of not even worth celebrating if you score until it's verified by VAR.

[–] CyberfunkTwenty77@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

There should be a time limit on VAR if you can't make a decision in 2 minutes or send the ref to the screen in 2 minutes, then the on field ruling stands.

I have no idea how the VAR ref can't immediately say "Stop the match. Go look at it" in less than 60 seconds.

[–] rrha@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Ask people whose teams have gone back down to the championship.

I usually hear it’s better without VAR. There are mistakes, but you don’t need 3 minutes every call to still get mistakes.

Which are way worse because they’re supposed to be able to get a proper look and make the right call.

Which they don’t.

[–] Twiggy_15@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

In the long term?... football is a lot less enjoyable now. Inevitable that the popularity will start to be effected.

[–] fackoffuser@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I stopped watching when they didn’t enforce the first round of FFP penalties to City and didn’t investigate anyone else. I’d say the fact that Everton took a 10pt deduction and City and Chelsea (and likely United and others) will walk away with a “please don’t do it again but if you do your oil money donations to our executive bonus packages will be appreciated” will do far more lasting damage.

[–] ChocolateStill5901@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Yet you'd be back the second united became relevant again. City and Chelsea have nothing whatsoever to do with evertons punishment, they're not remotely yhe same thing. As it happens the only club who has anything even approaching a similar situation is united.

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[–] nierama2019810938135@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The emotional lag is going to cost the sport a lot of viewers.

[–] Jhonnyskidmarks2003@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No it won't. New football fans will find the muted celebrations after scoring goals, exciting. Who really liked people living and enjoying that Aguero moment without 3 mins of VAR check???

And the time they spend standing around while the VAR crew checks every available angle and still gets it wrong is must watch TV!

/s

[–] milkonyourmustache@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I believe this anti-VAR narrative is coming from groups interested in a return to the days of rampant bullshit decisions, and you can all speculate as to why that would be something that anyone would be want.

The fact is that we get more decisions right because of VAR, and should be working to improve the process in order to lessen the negative impacts it is having, which are still better than the negative impacts that wrong decisions have on the sport.

[–] Doyouevensam@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Everytime I see someone say they think VAR should go, I try to remind them of the days of blatant dives in the box being rewarded with penalties. Yes, VAR is far from perfect, but I don't have to watch my team get punished for 100% blatant dives

[–] CaptainMcClutch@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It is kind of funny to me, people talk about letting the officials officiate the game... they still are but they're still getting it wrong with VAR and it is hardly the systems fault that someone looks at a foul or an offside and still doesn't get it right. Going back doesn't change much, people will still not like referees decisions and they will still cost teams dearly.

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[–] xvodax@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I think they should scale it way back. Let the game be called as is, and give each team a “coach’s challenge” and you only get one. Keep the goal line tech on the watch for the ref, but after that, fouls in the box, offside, no offside, hand balls, etc etc.. let it all be subject to the ref and lines men and when there is a particular important moment where a manger feels they are in the wrong, let them throw a red flag and and do the VAR check. You only get one a game so it better count for your side.

[–] ChocolateStill5901@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No, this is a popular clueless internet fan thought. Any armchair fan willing to turn away from the game because of var is no loss to the sport anyway.

[–] Jackbees777@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It’s not var that bothers me it’s how it only usually gets spoken about when it’s involving the bigger clubs it’s making a divide in this sport and highlighting major issues with the media that’s been the same for years

[–] PIMPmauser@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It just needs an overhaul personally. Maybe the automated offside system from the last World Cup

[–] ViTimm7@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

What kills the joy is being unfair. Clearly offside goals, penalties and send offs in important games.

[–] thatdudesowrong@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago
[–] SpyrosDemir@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No lol, just get better refs.

[–] SparkGamer28@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

IF ANYTHING IT BRINGS MORE PEOPLE , after seeing how var committing silly mistakes it will trigger fans who were in the wrong side of the var decision and other general crowd too will be tuning in , afterall when nothing works DRAMA WORKS

[–] LordofSuns@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately not because people will always tune in to watch their team play but it will likely boost the viewership of better leagues such as the Bundesliga as people do still want to watch proper, unadulterated, football.

[–] JoshyRanchy@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I hate VAR, if we remove it we could sympathize with bad calls due to human error again.

Im sorry, now we have this , we can see the post game is more about lines, camera angles and the fine msrgins of the rules.

Use Var for off the ball issues and move on.

Dome fresh faces in the PGMOL would do wonders.

Why are there no female refs?

[–] robeyn10@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

no. if anything it’s increasing viewership with how much people talk about it

[–] BiancoNero_inTheUS@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I don’t think so. More controversies generate bigger following. And the football level is so high.

[–] thestigREVENGE@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Stop putting the beautiful game into disrepute. /s

[–] xRaveniii@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Toss it in the heap.

[–] NUbeebskies@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

VAR is not the problem, VAR is objectively good, literally enforcing the rules of the game. The problem is it seems refs can decide on a whim whether or not to use it. It should just always be there in the background.

[–] futurejoyboy@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

People need to remember what it was like without VAR. With the modern internet, the PL would look way worse. Also those goals that went over the line but weren't called

[–] Valledis@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

VAR is literally just a video replay of an incident from various angles, they have been around for years and available for TV viewers and is not some shiny new tech that has been rolled out and causing issues.

Officials are looking at these replays of an incident to determine the right call as part of the process, and these incompetent and sometimes seemingly corruption officials can't seem to get this right consistently yet.

[–] Zestyclose-Act2039@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The real problem is the ref

[–] ISSSputnik@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Less than allowing City and Chelsea to continue.

[–] XAMdG@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago
[–] Dorkseid1687@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It should , because it’s terrible

[–] CaptainMcClutch@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I think the concept of VAR actually never has been the real issue, the three issues are the officiating, the rules being so open to interpretation, and the players or teams constantly looking for fouls or begging for everything to get checked.

It just leads to everything getting stopped and delayed for the smallest matters even though it was entirely meant to only iron out major issues. The officiating not getting the major issues correct then belatedly apologising isn't a fault of the system and never has been. The system for the most part captures exactly what it is meant to, every mistake is some numpty doing their job wrong.

[–] JamesSunderland1973@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Yes.

Even if it's only 50 Wolves fans that are giving it up now, it's still affecting people.

[–] damwookie@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately if people in charge don't want something but know they are going to be outvoted, they often still have enough authority to sabotage the thing they don't want. Think giant cookie banners on websites rather than small ones, red margarine in America rather than creamy coloured and var being needlessly shit in the UK rather than being used to improve decision making with minimal interference.

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