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I had been aware of this book for sometime but never really got around to it. Picked it up at HPB a few months ago knowing I should read it at some point and finally did. These are just some of my initial thoughts.

First, a 5/5. It was a really powerful, touching, and well written book. It reminded me a bit of vonnegut in some ways such as the writing style, the black humor, and the use of repetition.

When I started reading it I was at first a little disappointed to find out it was historical fiction but as I made my way through the book I appreciated why he wrote it that way. To paraphrase, "all of it's true and none of it is".

I'm very privileged and fortunate enough to have never had to experience this hardship. I'm going to tread lightly and I mean no ill intentions here but this book helped me empathize more with those who've had these experiences. I certainly will never truly know, but this book really conveyed the emotions, mundaneness, absurdity, and loss of war, to me at least.

I also felt that this book could be read as a little beyond just war stories. "It's nobody's fault. Everybody's." I think this applies to even those outside of a war. No one in particular may be responsible for the harms in our world. Collectively we all are. This may be a bit if a stretch but that's how I interpreted it.

So it goes.

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[–] NTT66@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I remember when I first read it. Stuck with me for a long time. Both the content and the prose. I'm way overdue for a revisit.

[–] waterboy1321@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I used to teach this book, after having it taught to me by an amazing professor.

The conversations were great. This book really transcends so many barriers.

[–] YouHaveSyphillis@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Amazing book

[–] BeetleBones@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I think of that damn story all the time. I can't look at old photography without thinking "who took that picture"

[–] grynch43@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Great book.

[–] Ray_Midge_@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That book endures. It helped shape the way Americans have come to feel about the Vietnam war. O’Brien distills the moral uncertainty and the lingering damage. But beyond shaping (or reflecting) how we’ve come to relate to the war, it is also a work of art. People will read it for generations to come, and even without its specific connection to the Vietnam era, people will learn about the horrors of war.

[–] punbasedname@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s a text that’s rich on so many levels.

Even if you ignore all of the messaging about war (which obviously is impossible), the way he frames to importance of fiction and getting the feel right versus getting the facts right when attempting to understand and communicate trauma is so spot on and insightful.

I taught that book for years (the only reason I no longer teach the class that uses it as a text anymore), and every year it would inevitably be the text that would generate the best and deepest discussion.

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[–] belovedburningwolf@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The things they carried is wonderful. Historical fiction isn’t normally my first genre choice but this book is one of my all time favorites regardless. I really liked “Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong” and the water buffalo bit still makes me sad to the point of almost feeling a little queasy (I’m a big softie or animals / babies / anything too innocent to fully understand it’s own suffering)

[–] got-to-be-kind@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

"I’ll picture Rat Kiley’s face, his grief, and I’ll think, You dumb cooze.

Because she wasn’t listening.

It wasn’t a war story. It was a love story."

[–] baddspellar@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

If you want to read more great Vietnam War fiction, read "Matterhorn", by Karl Marlantes

I consider it to be one of the best novels I have ever read. Unforgettable

[–] Defiltafish@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The ending of Matterhorn stands out as one of the best endings of any book I’ve ever read, maybe even THE best.

[–] boxer_dogs_dance@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen is a new one. It only has a few parts that are directly war, but I believe it is a great book. It starts with the fall of Saigon.

[–] Debbborra@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

It's a different war, but you might enjoy The Yellow Birds by Kevin Powers.

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[–] bthayes28@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I'm a veteran (peace time) and a teacher. I used to teach this along with Johnny Got His Gun in an American Lit class in the mid '00s. A lot of kids were shocked at the content, and others thought it sounded bad ass. A couple years later one of the kids who thought it seemed BA came back to visit after a tour in Afghanistan. He looked me in the eye and said, "I get it now."

I went home and cried.

[–] Secret_Ad2958@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I wish I could upvote this twice.

[–] WhollyHeyZeus@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

“I know a man who made an anti-war movie... a good one. When it was shown in his home town, army enlistment went up six hundred percent.”

Thanks for sharing this.

[–] Bellsar_Ringing@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I have not forgiven the teacher who made me read Johnny Got His Gun in 10th grade. As you compared these two books, I know I shall not read this one. So thank you.

[–] AdChemical1663@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I read The Things They Carried in high school. Took my copy to Afghanistan with me. At some point, one of my cadets walked off it with while I was teaching ROTC. I’m certain it wasn’t intentional, and I can only hope another young lieutenant picks it up off their company commander’s shelf and it continues its journey. That copy was full of literary annotations and life annotations from my time in service. Every time I see that edition in a used book store? I check to see if it’s mine.

When Tim O’Brien came to speak at the local university, I got a new copy, signed by him.

One of the most impactful books I’ve ever read.

[–] stockholm_let_me_go@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

He is rad. I did grad studies in Lit at Texas State, and was luccy enough to not only have him as a teacher, but to smoke outside the building with him and just ... hear him talk. He speaks with an eloquence (even in jest) of which I could only dream.

I am currently reading America Fantastica, and it is brilliant. I have read all of his other stuff. Going After Cacciato deserves the praise it gets, and more.

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[–] _notkvothe@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I'm an avid reader but hated nearly every assigned book through high school English. The two exceptions: The Things They Carried and Johnny Got His Gun. They were such a departure from the other books and from what I read in my free time. What hauntingly beautiful books.

[–] pedestal_of_infamy@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I heard "How to Tell a True War Story" read on Selected Shorts many years ago and that was my introduction to Tim O'Brien. Totally captivating and mesmerizing.

[–] Blackmere@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

This one is one of his more challenging stories to understand. Once you get it it really opens up your understanding of the author's mindset.

[–] ReadingOffTwitter@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Great book and good review, particularly the last paragraph and closing sentence.

[–] existentialaquarius@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I read this book in high school and will never forget it. An absolutely incredible read, im glad you got to experience it.

Ill always be struck by how the book was able to show the loss of innocence in war. The necklace of tongues was also a standout

[–] BTKUltra@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I almost went to Texas State University because Tim O’Brien teaches there. I was obsessed with that book in high school.

[–] Buckets86@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I wrote my master’s thesis on 4 of O’Brien’s novels. I’ve read all of O’Brien’s books and they are all excellent, including his new one, America Fantastica. I think O’Brien is our finest living writer and TTTC is an absolute masterpiece, a work of true genius. It’s perhaps my all-time favorite book. I teach it to my AP English class and I uncover something new with it each year, to the point that I would like to heavily revise my thesis and try to have it published. I was on the right track with my analysis, but I missed a lot. I would love to meet him or attend one of his lectures or something. I’m a huge fan.

[–] hairylegz@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He's currently on a reading tour for his new book. I just saw him in Brooklyn a few weeks ago. Maybe see if he's coming to do a reading near you?

[–] Buckets86@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Where do you find info? I knew he was on tour but I can’t find cities and dates or a place to buy tickets or anything. I’d be willing to travel…

[–] stockholm_let_me_go@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

As I said in another reply, just go to Texas State University, Flower's Building, and have a smoke with him outside. He will talk your ear off and it is amazing. And, to boot, in Austin, at the Ransom Center are his papers, etc. Right along with DFW. He is the best.

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[–] ClassyBroadMSP@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

It has been my favorite book for almost 30 years. So glad people are still falling in love with it.

[–] Bunmyaku@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

This is my favorite book to teach on high school. It's a stunning piece of literature. His memoir "If I Die in a Combat Zone" is a great companion read for the "happening truth" side of things.

I just picked up his newest book Americana Fantastica. So far it's okay, the prose isn't nearly as gripping as TTTC.

[–] No_Visual_5439@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

This is my favorite book of all time and completely changed the way I viewed the world and thought about truth and storytelling when I read it in high school. It was the basis of my college senior thesis about the healing power of narrative in war fiction. It’s a book that will stay with me forever, and I’m so glad you had the experience of reading it.

[–] cottoncandycrush@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Read this in college for a lit class and loved it. Definitely sticks with you!

[–] solamon77@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Super powerful book. I listened to the audiobook a couple years back and it's been stuck in my head for a while now. I think I need to read it again. The story of the guy who sneaks his girlfriend over really got to me.

[–] hazelparadise@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I avoided the book because it's a historical fiction book. But seeing your review feels like I should read it. Thanks for the review.

[–] Hoger@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Wonderful book!

[–] pizza_sluut@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Whenever someone asks me “what’s your favorite book?”, The Things They Carried is my answer. I read it in high school for my AP Language class. It was my absolute favorite.

It stuck with me so well that the following year, on the AP Literature exam, I wrote the open-choice literary argument essay using it (essay question 3). It was not on the list of suggested titles. In fact, I had not read any of the titles on the suggested list, so I was sweating a bit. But I could remember TTTC so vividly, so I chose that as my title. It must have been a pretty great essay - I scored a 5.

I don’t typically go for war stories, either. But this one just captures you. I’m so happy to see this thread and read others’ experiences with this text.

[–] TheoTimme@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

There it is

[–] vibraltu@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Now read 'Going After Cacciato'.

[–] nvaughan81@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The audio version read by Bryan Cranston is beautiful

[–] IAmThePonch@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I read it for the first time last year and don’t have anything to say about it that hasn’t been said before. Great book. Heart breaking. Mind blowing for just how awful the Vietnam war was.

[–] missing1102@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

A great existential book. One of the best of that period of time.

[–] Th3_Admiral@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

This is my all time favorite book. In AP English in high school, we got to pick the final book we read for class and this is the one I picked at random. I wanted a war story and this is one that came up on the computer search of our library. And oh boy, it is quite the war story. Turns out we had actually read one chapter of the book several years earlier in another English class and it had stuck with me for years, so I was blown away when I got to that chapter again (it's the one where he was telling his son a war story about his time on ambush where he killed a guy with a grenade. I still distinctly remember the line about how it blew a "star shaped hole" in the guy's head).

If you liked this book, especially the whole blending of truth and fiction, then please read some of his other books! Going After Cacciato is really trippy but such a good story. I would say it's even closer to Slaughterhouse 5, just set in Vietnam. "In Lake Of The Woods* is also good, though a bit more grounded and a very different story than the other two books.

[–] archbid@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The book is amazing, but I found most interesting the underlying psychological burden that he bore. It was an deep piece of psychoanalytic exposition.

[–] 3rd-eye-blind@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

My book club recently read this. It was chosen by a member who is former military (we're in Canada) and WOW.
I've always valued and respected those who serve their countries this way, but after reading this book, the respect and compassion have gone up exponentially. It's hard to even put this into words.

[–] lts56smp@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Great read! Try Paco’s Story, another great book.

[–] LostHeart7765@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

This book is so beautifully written.

[–] juan_suleiman@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Such a harrowing read, it's wonderful. Seconding Johnny Got His Gun

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[–] helendestroy@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

i haven't read it in years, but sweetheart of the song tra bong stuck with me so hard.

[–] sllop@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fucking insane fun fact:

One of my best friends used to live three doors down from Tim; he asked him about this book many times.

Tim O’Brien himself says that Sweetheart of The Song Tra Bong is the most true to life story in the entire book.

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