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I've been an ostrich for the past... however long. There was a moment there where the cracks in the corporate internet looked like everything was about to come tumbling down, and with it the Death of Capitalism! and we'd all just be sassy anarchist trash animals dancing in the flames... But we're in a slow crumble, not a cathartic collapse. I felt keyed up and ready to fuck shit up, but I didn't know what to throw rocks at, and so I didn't, and in the meantime I still got bills and people I care about so I guess I'll just keep going to work until something changes. Things do change... But never in the “right” way. So now I'm in a rut that feels like it has all of us, where I'm constantly tired, barely making ends meet, and unable to do anything with my life aside from work and maintain myself so I can still work.

I wasn't supposed to come back online for the first time in months to run off on my usual, literally tired rant. I was supposed to come on to tell you to read "The Mysteries" if you haven't already.

I only just picked up my copy two days ago. I had seen the video about how Bill Watterson and John Kascht had spent years figuring out not just how to make this book, but how to even rectify their apparently incompatible styles and methods. The story of two folks who one assumes must be friends (and if not friends, clearly had a lot of respect and admiration for each other) who spent years banging their heads against a wall together and somehow managed to not bang heads too hard against each other is remarkable. The story of this book could almost overshadow the book itself...

Except the book is very, very good. Given what I had heard going in, "An adult fable, a picture book, with an aggressively stylized aesthetic," I was worried I would enjoy it, find it charming and something nice to look at, but somehow inescapably trite. Instead I found my anxieties mirrored and acknowledged, and told to remember we are all dust. Not an original meditation, but a gorgeous attempt at rendering it.

I'm not going too in-depth on the "narrative" here, or what I think one should take from it. It's just an incredibly brief parable of human social evolution (I'd say "social progress" but whether or not that is debatable is, at least from the narrative's timeline, irrelevant). This is mostly a visual piece.

The book feels like a collection of... almost colloidion photography, with it's concrete starkness that sublimates into a dark etherealness. Everything has the feel of long shutter speeds and slow emulsions, a moment caught in molasses instead of film. The stark shift from John's eye for detail and Bill's efficient abstraction likely punches this effect up considerably. I'm not someone who knows much about art, but I've always fallen for it more when it heavily intersects with craft. And these images were absolutely crafted. If I'm ever in a situation where I could have wall art, I would deeply like prints of a few of the pages from this book... but given Bill's history with merchandising, I don't see that happening in any official capacity. I'm also loathe to the idea of any one of these pages out of it's context.
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[–] Doghead_sunbro@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

OP with the utmost of respect just cut this down to the discussion of the book I’m not here to read a livejournal.

[–] Moreorlessatorium@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

This post longer than the book

[–] sir-winkles2@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

are you actually complaining about reading a 6 paragraph review of a book on a subreddit about reading? they're not even long paragraphs

[–] Doghead_sunbro@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Its more just OP shoehorning their own creative writing doodles in lieu of something that resembles a discussion.

[–] sir-winkles2@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

books make people feel feelings and OP tried their best to convey the feelings they felt while reading the book without spoiling the whole plot. where should they talk about their emotional response to a book if not a subreddit about books?

it's kind of sad that so many "readers" can't get through a few paragraphs of OP explaining how the book made them feel instead of just blandly recounting the plot

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[–] I_Am_Robotic@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Then skip the post. No need to be a dick to someone who is obviously passionate.

[–] TheRealJones1977@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

This is too much for you? How do you get through an episode of a TV show or a movie? Damn. Take your ADD meds and calm down.

With the utmost respect.

[–] primaequa@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Actually the post is what caught my eye…love your writing style OP!

[–] ge93@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I ain't reading all that.

I'm happy for u tho.

Or sorry that happened.

[–] Ohcemda@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Dang mf in r/books dunking on reading what a fucking time to be alive

[–] OldApocalypseStyle@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I'm loving it. This thread is prime popcorn material.

[–] Hinoto-no-Ryuji@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Right? This isn’t even that long a post, and is completely coherent throughout. Wild that people are acting like this post - made, as you said, in a place for discussing books - is somehow inappropriate.

[–] lookyloolookingatyou@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

To me, reading posts on reddit is a lot of things: education, adventure, compassion, healing, and therapy all at once. I laugh, I learn, I live and love. And in the midst of this pullulating wonderstorm of comments, there's r/books. I don't remember how long I've been coming here, what the first post I read was, or all the amazing moments we've had with our insightful discussions (I show them to my friends and family sometimes). I like to imagine we're all in a big giant library with all the books in the world: some of are distinguished gentlemen of reading in our overstuffed armchairs, still others are wistful housewives snatching a few lines of Tennyson at the kitchen sink. But together, all and one, we are readers, first and foremost.

When I first read OP's title, I thought to myself: "Bill Watterson? Of Calvin and Hobbes fame? That Bill Watterson???" I was something of an awkward kid in elementary school, never quite fitting in with all the others. Reading about Calvin's vivid imagination made me feel less alone on the playground, like there was someone else out there who "got it." As for John Kascht? Well, that was a new name, but I thought "If he's cool with Bill Watterson then he's cool with me."

So imagine my shock when I got halfway through OP's post and saw that Watterson wasn't exactly "cool" with Kaschts. But they were professional with each other, and this contrast and sense of professionalism was resulted in the of making a book together. It reminded me of Jaime and Adam on Mythbusters. A bit of trivia: despite working together for over a decade, they aren't close personal friends. I think that quality and attitude is what allows teamship to flourish. Why, just imagine we'd all had that mentality during covid? The covid pandemic is when I first began to question capitalism. I mean, I'd always hated it, but the pandemic, with the resulting shut-downs, that was the first time I questioned it.

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[–] Li-renn-pwel@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Um I only read insta-poetry so even finishing this post was a huge win for me.

[–] TheRealJones1977@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

You ain't reading all that? Do you know you're in a topic about books?

[–] jlc1865@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I read it. An insufferable pessimist wrote an insufferably long screed about their own insufferable point of view, but apparently liked a book written by the Calvin and Hobbes guy though I still do not know why or for that matter what the book was even about.

ETA: apparently there was more in the comments. Don't have the mental fortitude to subject myself to more. Sorry.

[–] SpiritualTrash5269@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Great post, thanks for sharing!

[–] Sure_Apartment1133@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Thank you for the recommendation! I'm going to read this after my current book, thanks.

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[–] The_Red_Curtain@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's a shame that so many subs of r/books apparently resent reading; but I loved this book too, and I really appreciate your post.

[–] ionabike666@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Where was it sent the first time?

[–] Severe-Leading5224@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

You have my interest!

[–] SpectacularB@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Is this Calvin and Hobbes Bill Watterson?

[–] John___Titor@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I flipped through this at a bookstore because it takes 2 minutes to finish. It's completely forgettable. Watterson must have really needed some cash.

[–] Redeem123@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Regardless of your thoughts on the book, calling Watterson a sellout is one of the dumber things I've ever seen on Reddit.

[–] John___Titor@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Why? It's a bad read and terribly overpriced. Doing it this way doesn't tarnish his C&H legacy. It's a smart move. If his name isn't on this, nobody would give this a second glance.

[–] Redeem123@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Because if he wanted to just make a quick buck, there are a thousand ways he could do it that would be easier and more lucrative.

A new deluxe edition of C&H strips. Selling original art. Writing an autobiography. Doing a more traditional comic book. Even simply continuing C&H straight up. None of those would have tarnished his legacy at all.

You’re certainly right that the book wouldn’t have gotten the attention it did without his name, but that doesn’t mean it was a cash grab. He has had ample opportunity over the last 3 decades to do something for quick money. There’s zero reason to believe that’s the motivation for a niche book like this.

[–] Mariposa510@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

If he was a sellout, Bill Watterson could have made a lot of money putting Calvin and Hobbes on merchandise. He still could if he wanted to.

[–] jakeobrown@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hot take straight out of the dumpster. Maybe stick to the adult coloring section

[–] John___Titor@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

It is not a good read.

[–] sir-winkles2@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

OP I'm sorry so many people are complaining about your post. I enjoyed it and it made me curious about the book!

[–] OutsidePerson5@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I have the opposite view, I think Waterson got too full of himself and produced a book that's just not very good or interesting.

It's about 100 words long, and in the end it's just another example of the "watch out, learning too much is bad for you!" genre of anti-intellectual, anti-progress, anti-science stuff.

In his book Lord of Light, Roger Zelazny had Yama say this:

"It is the difference between the unknown and the unknowable, between science and fantasy—it is a matter of essence. The four points of the compass be logic, knowledge, wisdom and the unknown. Some do bow in that final direction. Others advance upon it. To bow before the one is to lose sight of the three. I may submit to the unknown, but never to the unknowable."

And I vastly prefer that sentiment. Ignorance is not to be cherished or elevated.

I burned $20 on it based on thinking that Waterson might create a cool modern fable for adults. I wish very much I had looked at it in the bookstore first, I could have spent that $20 on something better.

[–] edubkendo@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I don't know if I'll read this book, but I really enjoyed reading your take on it. I like to think I've been able to feel a little bit of what engaging with this book made you feel, by engaging with your post.

[–] KarlClausewitz@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (11 children)

It always strikes me as odd the number of keyboard warriors on Reddit and elsewhere who readily look forward to societal collapse, as if it will be some tremendous moment of celebration and not a cataclysmic event resulting in millions of unnecessary death.

[–] punctuation_welfare@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I’ll tell you one thing for certain, not a goddamn one of them is a Type 1 Diabetic. Yeah, capitalism and modern society aren’t perfect, but I definitely prefer it to the alternative of checks notes dying an imminent and painful death.

[–] itwastimeforarefresh@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

But have you considered that you dying an imminent and painful death is a necessary sacrifice for my cool dystopian aesthetic and Mad Max heroics?

Sounds pretty selfish of you, ngl

[–] Aquitaine-9@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

not a goddamn one of them is a Type 1 Diabetic

You might be surprised. Lots of people tend to not think things like that through.

[–] raelianautopsy@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Or having any kind of chronic illness.

Being an internet person that wants all of the system to collapse is definitely a form of privelege. To just assume you'd be fine and not think about the rest of humanity...

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[–] weluckyfew@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

"Yay, evil society collapsed! Hey, why isn't there water coming out of the sink?"

[–] NicoRosbergBurner@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And of course, their ideology will be the one that springs from the ashes. Even the “winners” of societal collapse lose

[–] raelianautopsy@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's the strangest assumption. Just why do people think that it would be a progressive utopia after "capitalism is destroyed" or whatever they believe?

So much blind faith in thinking that

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[–] Darth-Sheogorath@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, I know collapse is coming but I'm not looking forward to it. Once society collapses, we're pretty much all screwed. Even if I survive, quality of life is gonna be insanely low.

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[–] TripleSecretSquirrel@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ya, everyone thinks they'll be the action hero main character. Nobody thinks that – overwhelmingly more likely – they'll get dysentery or cholera because the municipal water treatment plant went down.

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[–] FredFredrickson@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, this was my thought, too. People who fetishize "collapse" make no sense to me.

There's nothing fun or cathartic about panic, chaos, and the gallery of horrors that would come along with all that.

Like, you think you're going to have time for things like books if our society collapses? You're going to be lucky if you eat every day.

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[–] raelianautopsy@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yes, it's really a bizarre take. It's so easy and lazy to just say the system sucks. We all hate the system that's no special.

But to think that it would be replaced with a better system... just why assume that? History constantly shows governments getting overthrown and replaced with worse governments (not to mention millions dying as you say)

Why do these online people think that it would be good for them if there was an apocalypse, just what on earth makes them think that?

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[–] Digndagn@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, you've got to get it because it's Bill Watterson. But, it's also a 10 minute read.

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[–] clemenbroog@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I really enjoyed the video that was released by the publisher about Watterson’s and Kascht’s collaboration on the illustrations. I found the actual book to be underwhelming but I’m very glad that they made it just so that I could have that brief glimpse into Watterson’s artistic process. Here is a link to the video for anyone interested

[–] One_Drew_Loose@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I have been thinking about this book at least once a day for months since I read it. Still am not sure if it’s a warning, grim joke, or a sly ‘yeah kid, it’s all crap’.

[–] lotte914@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

OP, just want to thank you for your post. You so eloquently captured a lot of how I felt reading this book. I also didn’t know about the story of its creation and am excited to delve into it. I appreciate you.

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